Unless that doctor is performing emergency surgery there really is no reason they need to keep people waiting that long. it’s so disrespectful, doesn’t matter they are a doctor.
So what happens if a patient lies about their concern and a 15 minute checkup is all of a sudden a 45 minute spiel. You can’t just leave a patient you’re treating, they try to allow for some leeway, but they’re a business too after all, can’t be sitting around either.
Without meaning to go completely off the rails, maybe this is part of the problem? I mean we can’t sink our entire GDP into toenail fungus, but there ought to be some middle ground somewhere.
Even in public health care, family doctors who don’t work in government hospitals or clinics, operate their own “store front” have their own bills and employees and can only bill the government certain amounts for certain visits. So if they can’t bill the government for sitting around, it’s cash out of their pocket for their expenses.
Right and that is getting off the rails. I know providing healthcare isn’t free so consuming it isn’t free either. But when a public need becomes a profit-seeking venture, I start getting skeptical that this is the best way to ensure efficient use of resources.
can only bill government certain amount for certain visits.
How are they making a profit seeking business when they can only bill insurance, WCB, or the the public health care system a certain amount for each visit. There is some uninsured things, but they don’t charge unreasonable amounts, people would go elsewhere. It keeps everyone honest in that regard. And they only charge since they can’t bill anyone else and it costs them time and money.
Have you ever… like… had a conversation before?
I can’t read your fucking mind. I explained my point of view and you explained yours and corrected how I’d read something different than you intended. edit: The doctors I see are all part of a larger, profit-seeking business. I have not seen these non-profit doctors outside of Doctors Without Borders and such.
What part of that means you need to be a prick about things? If you suggest medicine should be non-profit then we are in agreement and there is no need to be an asshole. That’s not at all how I read your first message, so excuse the fuck out of me for trying to have a conversation on a fucking message board.
It’s awesome being a doctor because you get to try your best to help people all day, get held up by patients talking about 6 different issues they didn’t even book their appointment for, held up by admin demanding you finish your notes between patients, held up by arguing on the phone with insurance that won’t authorize clearly necessary treatments, held up by nursing staff (understandably) needing your input on things between patients, and then read people bitching online like you were just spending that time drinking coffee and flirting with the nurses when you have a caffeineh eadache because you haven’t even had enough time to stop and drink coffee at all AND admin is bitching at you because you aren’t seeing enough patients every day.
Unfortunately the doctors usually aren’t the ones managing the schedule. The admin / secretaries are.
And good ones, that understand that a new patient with no file, that doesn’t speak the language, that has a history of complications with her previous pregnancies, etc is not gonna be a normal half hour consultation are extremely rare.
Even kind ones that see that you are swamped day in day out just seem to assume that these are teething difficulties, adapting to the position, etc (even after almost two years).
And so that’s how my wife ends up doing a ten hour workday. Nonstop. With no break for lunch because hey, too bad, she finished the morning shift two hours late and now her first afternoon appointment has been waiting for half an hour…
But of course if you tell patients there is no time for them because the few doctors that are here are already overworked…
(to be clear, I’ve been saying the same thing as you to my wife for two years now. But apparently the message is not getting across)
Unless that doctor is performing emergency surgery there really is no reason they need to keep people waiting that long. it’s so disrespectful, doesn’t matter they are a doctor.
So what happens if a patient lies about their concern and a 15 minute checkup is all of a sudden a 45 minute spiel. You can’t just leave a patient you’re treating, they try to allow for some leeway, but they’re a business too after all, can’t be sitting around either.
Without meaning to go completely off the rails, maybe this is part of the problem? I mean we can’t sink our entire GDP into toenail fungus, but there ought to be some middle ground somewhere.
Even in public health care, family doctors who don’t work in government hospitals or clinics, operate their own “store front” have their own bills and employees and can only bill the government certain amounts for certain visits. So if they can’t bill the government for sitting around, it’s cash out of their pocket for their expenses.
Right and that is getting off the rails. I know providing healthcare isn’t free so consuming it isn’t free either. But when a public need becomes a profit-seeking venture, I start getting skeptical that this is the best way to ensure efficient use of resources.
How are they making a profit seeking business when they can only bill insurance, WCB, or the the public health care system a certain amount for each visit. There is some uninsured things, but they don’t charge unreasonable amounts, people would go elsewhere. It keeps everyone honest in that regard. And they only charge since they can’t bill anyone else and it costs them time and money.
You called it a business. Which I read as “profit-seeking endeavor”. Perhaps you intended it differently.
Not for profits are also businesses… your assumptions are your bias… and ignorance.
Edit Actually, which definition are you even using here…?
No definition has “profit” in it that I can see
My intention is the definition of the word, what is YOUR intention here dude?
Have you ever… like… had a conversation before? I can’t read your fucking mind. I explained my point of view and you explained yours and corrected how I’d read something different than you intended. edit: The doctors I see are all part of a larger, profit-seeking business. I have not seen these non-profit doctors outside of Doctors Without Borders and such.
What part of that means you need to be a prick about things? If you suggest medicine should be non-profit then we are in agreement and there is no need to be an asshole. That’s not at all how I read your first message, so excuse the fuck out of me for trying to have a conversation on a fucking message board.
It’s awesome being a doctor because you get to try your best to help people all day, get held up by patients talking about 6 different issues they didn’t even book their appointment for, held up by admin demanding you finish your notes between patients, held up by arguing on the phone with insurance that won’t authorize clearly necessary treatments, held up by nursing staff (understandably) needing your input on things between patients, and then read people bitching online like you were just spending that time drinking coffee and flirting with the nurses when you have a caffeineh eadache because you haven’t even had enough time to stop and drink coffee at all AND admin is bitching at you because you aren’t seeing enough patients every day.
A doctor tha expects those things to happen should schedule based on that knowledge.
If the admin has unrealistic expectations, then those expectations need to be addressed.
Unfortunately the doctors usually aren’t the ones managing the schedule. The admin / secretaries are.
And good ones, that understand that a new patient with no file, that doesn’t speak the language, that has a history of complications with her previous pregnancies, etc is not gonna be a normal half hour consultation are extremely rare.
Even kind ones that see that you are swamped day in day out just seem to assume that these are teething difficulties, adapting to the position, etc (even after almost two years).
And so that’s how my wife ends up doing a ten hour workday. Nonstop. With no break for lunch because hey, too bad, she finished the morning shift two hours late and now her first afternoon appointment has been waiting for half an hour…
But of course if you tell patients there is no time for them because the few doctors that are here are already overworked…
(to be clear, I’ve been saying the same thing as you to my wife for two years now. But apparently the message is not getting across)
And you haven’t even gotten to the medical billing phase that’s been strangling American healthcare systems for decades!
Thankfully we are in France and everybody is fighting tooth and nails to not become that. So far so good.
everybody!?
what an overstatement!