[Bug] "This helps protect our community." · Issue #4734 · iv-org/invidious
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Update 21/09/2024: #4734 (comment) EDIT by @unixfox: The Invidious team is aware of this issue. It appears that it affects all the software using YouTube. Please refrain from commenting if you have...

cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

  • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
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    6 个月前

    newpiped and freetube will continue to work but piped is also blocked as well

      • GHiLA@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        6 个月前

        I often consider the scenario.

        What would I do if Google straight sniped and headshot every single method of piracy, even embedding the ads into the video?

        "He’ll pay now!*

        Nah, never. People are more momentary, at least I am. I don’t care if I’m being entertained by “X”. If “X” isn’t worth the trouble, there’s “Y”. The days of everyone even caring to digest the same media as anyone else is over unless your main drugs are pop music, Asmongold reacting to politics and influencers.

    • vividspecter@lemm.eeEnglish
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      6 个月前

      I’ve seen it go down in some cases on VPNs, so it could be a matter of time (or they’ll find a solution again and the back and forth will just continue).

  • solrize@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 个月前

    Sad to hear. Newpipe is still working fine (as of a couple minutes ago) if that helps. That’s through a residential IP. I will try yt-dlp from a data center IP when I get a chance. I hope they haven’t blocked that.

  • geography082@lemm.eeEnglish
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    6 个月前

    I would suggest the devs to be able to create instances from within tor. It would be slow, but impossible to block. Or from any other network that don’t rely on single IP access to YouTube . Or, make a mesh of collaborative home instances. Google can’t block millions of home IPs. Or use any mesh collaborative network capable of it.

  • magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.orgEnglish
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    6 个月前

    So when do we start just showing up the the doorstep of google employees?

    I work for the fucking military industrial complex and not even I would be a bad enough person to work on breaking invidious.

  • firepenny@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 个月前

    So if Google can ban our IP if caught using this, could you now use some type of dynamic IP mechanism every time they ban the IP?

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 个月前

      Probably would be a good idea, I’m guessing this type of thing could be problematic for google if the IP bans started stacking up, probably also if they can’t just look up what the site is using and banning it manually, which let’s be fair and not give them too much credit, is exactly what they’ve been doing. They look up that some invidious or downloader site is hosted on some IP address and block it manually, or blocking its whole range. Something that doesn’t cause many headaches for others outside of those services but would cause a lot of problems if those sites were run with reverse-proxying to dynamic IPs which caused YouTube blocks for legitimate users, including in public places.

  • IcePee@lemmy.beru.coEnglish
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    6 个月前

    I wonder if some kind of mesh might work. Maybe like a secret Santa type deal. By that I mean everyone who connects, gets a randomised, anonymous partner or partners. Everyone in the swarm streams for each other.

  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    6 个月前

    Not just invidious, they’ve just de facto blocked video embedding:

    If you’re wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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      6 个月前

      other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case.

      Many companies use Vimeo for this.

    • flames5123@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 个月前

      I watch embedded videos all the time. Literally hundreds this weekend. Embedded is not “de facto blocked”.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Could be, maybe it’s intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.

        What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn’t know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn’t play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.

      • TriflingToad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 个月前

        is that a possible workaround? Also, a tip from my school trying to block YouTube (idk if it applies here) is that you can ‘add to queue’ to where it plays in the corner then there’s a button to make it bigger.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Sure but it’s really common to see embedded youtube videos on storefronts, and if storefronts en masse abandoned it that’s one more piece of the market that youtube has lost.

        They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point. They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            6 个月前

            “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

            And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

            The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

            • Petter1@lemm.eeEnglish
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              6 个月前

              Youtube is now big enough for not caring about the network effect.

              1. Start companies
              2. make a free product with network effect
              3. gain a lot of users
              4. now that you have your user base, user growth is not as relevant anymore and therefore network effect is not needed anymore
              5. enshitificate for more ad revenue, more tracking and direct subscriptions
              6. profit (finally after decades)

              Capitalism is just fucked 🤷🏻🏴‍☠️

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                6 个月前

                What? No, the network effect is why they have a dominant position. The network effect comes from their user base.

                Enshittification is how platforms die, it’s not a winning business model, it’s just an outworking of capitalism’s contradictions.

                The way you wrote that shows you don’t understand the principles at all.

                I could explain further but you’d have to express interest.

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                6 个月前

                Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.

                And youtube is enshittifying.

                These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your “pure speculation” unless you have something else you want to add.

    • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
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      6 个月前

      yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game

  • Fijxu@programming.devEnglish
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    6 个月前

    If you have the resources, host your own to help and spread the load across public instances.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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      6 个月前

      They said:

      You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

      and I imagine that most people that host something like this do so using a VPS. Homelabs tend to be the minority use case.

      • irreticent@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Plus, some ISPs might frown upon the increase in traffic when hosting a public service.

        I hate my ISP.

        • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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          6 个月前

          Most residential ISPs would frown upon a large amount of upload traffic for a public service, and request that you switch to a business plan with a much lower contention ratio. Contention ratio is essentially the number of people the bandwidth is shared with. For example, if you have a 1Gbps connection with a contention ratio of 50:1 (common for residential ISPs), 50 people share the same 1Gbps bandwidth. That’s designed with the idea that not every user is using all their bandwidth at the exact same time. Constant uploads all day (like with a public proxy) breaks that assumption. Business plans usually have a contention ratio of 10:1 to 20:1.

          The CEO of my ISP (Sonic) explicitly mentioned that they don’t like people hosting servers on their forum:

          We don’t want folks hosting publically accessible servers on Sonic fiber. Primarily because while household consumption can be estimated and averaged, and is roughly limited by your ability to consume (how many TVs will you stream to, plus downloads and other activities, during the peak bandwidth usage time of the day?), when you host the usage is instead limited only by the REST of the world’s interest in what you’re offering.

          So while a family of six with five 4K TVs might see peak average usage under 100Mbps if absolutely every device is on and all consuming full-scale content – a single Raspberry PI web server with a single video hosted on it might swamp a gigabit port if that video file is something everyone in the world wants to see.

          While we can provide the fastest residential connection in America, it’s pricing relies upon typical use cases. That pricing is not sustainable if someone is hosting a popular website, sharing with neighbors, feeding a wireless ISP, acting as a TOR exit node, etc etc. Servers belong in data-centers (aka “the cloud”), for practical network scale as well as economic reasons.

          They don’t block it though, and they’re fine with low-bandwidth things like Home Assistant, VPNs, etc.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          6 个月前

          Plus, some ISPs might frown upon the increase in traffic when hosting a public service.

          this shit is so stupid, i pay for the fucking bandwidth, give me the fucking bandwidth.

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              6 个月前

              yeah, if you want to charge me on a per packet basis, fucking charge me on a per packet basis.

              don’t play this bullshit of “unlimited bandwidth” but actually it’s 1gbs so it’s not unlimited but actually very specifically limited to one specific amount, and nothing more, because it’s physically impossible for it to be higher.

  • starman@programming.devEnglish
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    6 个月前

    Didn’t Odysee recently removed ads? Anyway, I think I’ll start watching videos on Odysee and peertube, via RSS feeds. At least from youtubers that upload there.

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 个月前

    You can still watch YouTube without ads using grayjay.app including sponsor block.

    Thanks to Louis Rossman

  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    6 个月前

    Wow all this bullying is really convincing me to go back to their shitty platform.

    If i can’t access my fav creators anymore itl just motivate me to do sm productive, like building web3

      • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        6 个月前

        I don’t judge people who give in to the oppressor. Life is hard and you have to pick your battles, more important stuff then blocking ads for “normal” people.

        For me its largely a disability/accessibility thing. The whole site is not usable.

        Its not that i want to die on this hill its that corporate bullshit is measurably detrimental to my health. My hill is the only one i can exist on.

      • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Oh no, the execution and information thus far has been horrible. You are alluding to blockchain are you? When i look at the website you post i see absolutely nothing that i even recognize as web3 its all cryptostuff.

        I don’t get why everybody is so hell-bend on blockchain based internet (sure its decentralized but come on, we’re creative enough to do better). Its like people don’t get the point of “user owned” and are expecting companies to build a better internet for them without serving their own interests.

        No, we are going to need to do this ourselves, self host our own data and services, open source everything.

        Lemmy and the fediverse are the closest i have seen to being proto web 3 in spirit and there are also still far from perfect.

        I have read the “What is web3” from that site and could not disagree on the definition more. I would not be suprised if both the blockchain cults and this website are part of the propaganda machine that is stopping a free internet from happening.

        My web3 is aligned much more with this: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/user-liberation-watch-and-share-our-new-video