• Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.

    Goodbye Meemaw.

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      2 months ago

      Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.

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        2 months ago

        Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.

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          Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.

          CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.

          If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr

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        2 months ago

        Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!

        I wonder how this furthers your agenda…

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      Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?

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        2 months ago

        https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en

        This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.

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          Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.

          Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps

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      Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?

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    2 months ago

    Hmmm, so what you are saying is that I am just one ad blocker failing away from being productive in life?

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    Having a hard enough time just trying to fucking skip back 20 seconds without accidentally tapping on the creators’ page.

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      So dystopian. The number of novels I’ve read where Advertisements existing on a screen has become the main source of revenue, what a bizarre science fiction fantasy land that would be…

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      I doubt they are video ads. On other streaming services they are just static images with transparent backgrounds displayed on one third of the screen or borders that show up around the paused video. Pause ads aren’t new and I’m guessing YouTube is following other streaming services.

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    Like way to kill your platform for anything educational where you want to pause to like at a graph.

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      Look at the article linked to it. It has a render of a pause ad being a banner that shrinks the video player somewhat, but the paused video is viewable.

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          YouTube wants you to keep watching the videos. The more time you spend on the site the more ads you see. They care about finding the balance of acceptable ad load to maximize ad space, which requires a consistent user base. I have faith that this is their objective. Also, videos take time to load and a user hitting pause is unpredictable. A light weight display ad is probably the best technically feasible way to grab a user’s attention in that brief moment of hitting pause. Especially when pause means a user wants to mute audio to do things like take a phone call, a video would turn off users to the platform.

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    People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing. News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.

    And also… I’ll never understand this. I use YouTube and don’t give a shit about ads. The moment they start bothering me- I’ll stop using YouTube. It’s that easy. Don’t like it, walk away.

    If you hate something so much, yet can’t stop using it- you have an addiction. Ads are not the problem here.

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      I feel like there is an argument to be made about ads being put into damn near everything. They’ve become way too prominent in every aspect of daily life. There are so many things you cannot do without having an ad rammed down your throat. Youtube isn’t the best example of this, but if you start giving up things that have ads, you will eventually have nothing. The root problem is corporate greed. Line must go up at an ever increasing angle, and shareholders must make maximum profit. How do they accomplish that? Ads. Regulatory bodies must step in before everything we see in a digital spaces (and a lot of real spaces too) becomes covered in advertisements.

      Won’t be long before we go to the beach to watch the sunset, and there’s a floating billboard for mountain Dew covering it up. It’s out of control.

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        So again, no one is going to win this. The only recourse is to stop using YouTube.

        That’s it.

        That’s how you win. You don’t play. But constantly whining about their practices while continuing to support their platform with visits is not doing the damage you think it’s doing.

        They will always be steps ahead of you.

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          2 months ago

          to stop using youtube, to stop using your TV sized display that you have bought for a lot of money, stop using your car because it shows ads on the dashboard, public transport for the same reason, and the public roads too because every 10 meters there will be a billboard with even integrated tracking too.

          yeah, defeatism was never a solution

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            2 months ago

            If you don’t like YouTube, don’t watch YouTube. Your examples are fucking ridiculous because I’m not the one crying about any of those rings.

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          You didn’t really reply to my comment. You kinda just said the same thing again, but anyway.

          I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. You can use YouTube without viewing ads. There are ways around it.

          My point was, for the average consumer, there are way too many ads being put into everything, and unless you’re savvy enough to navigate around this, the only way this will change is with regulatory intervention, which can actually happen.

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      Silliest comment of the week

      People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing.

      Go ahead and show the alternative, the alternative that has the content we need.

      Before you respond that youtube is an entertainment service, I want to remind you that it isn’t, but that it’s only a part of it. You won’t handwave it away as if we were discussing netflix being enshittified.

      I’m not using youtube for listening to music videos and such things, never were. When I end up there it’s because of a search result showing a relevrelevant video there, like disassembly of this or that, and such.

      News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.

      That’s objectively false. uBlock Origin devs and filterlist makers are doing a very good job.

      Don’t like it, walk away.

      That’s very similar to saying “don’t like your government? don’t like it, walk away, found your own”.
      Yeah, that’s not his it works.

      I bet you would be the first to call those who abandoned youtube as cavemen for not being able to access some video you shared

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        I don’t care if there’s an alternative. You’re not obligated to watch YouTube. It’s not a job.

        You can walk away.

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          Google constantly puts Youtube ads at the top of searches for information! Countless people put their information on Youtube in the form of videos! Tutorials get put on Youtube as a matter of course! There’s a trove of old media on Youtube that can’t be accessed any other way! Congratulations, you’ve won the award for the most thoughtlessly dismissive person on the internet today.

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            Be sure to keep whining about their practices while supporting them to continue with it.

            It’s funny from where I sit.

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              how do we support it? how, when we don’t upload any content, we only give them server load instead of money, and don’t even increase the view count? how? if anything this is a loss for them, but not a gain that’s for sure

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                1 month ago

                So you don’t know how watching YouTube videos equate to profit for YouTube?

                Best you learn how that works before we continue this discussion further.

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      2 months ago

      I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in months.

      Firefox with ublock origin on desktop / laptop Grayjay mobile app Smarttube on Android TV (also Flauncher customer launcher so I don’t have to see any ads on my TV home screen)

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    I use uBlock Origin and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in 6 years, I cannot imagine trying to watch videos that try to show advertisements in the middle of them, lol. It’s why I download all the TV and Movies I watch too. Advertisements are for people who, don’t know how to silence them, the lazy, and those got guilted into allowing themselves to be brainwashed.

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        Yeah, uBlock Origin not working would take me from liking YouTube a fair bit to making it unusable.

        • I use Proton but keep legacy Gmail accounts around to ensure I still have access to accounts I may have forgotten about or people I knew a long time ago sending a stray email. The only other usage is logging into YouTube.
        • I use a Captcha solver extension.
        • I use uBlock Origin to block all their ads.
        • I don’t use their DNS.
        • I use DDG over their search engine and Firefox over their browser.
        • I don’t use Google Drive or their office suite (I think the latter is abysmal to use tbf).
        • I use DeepL over Translate.
        • I use NewPipe for YouTube on mobile and have a subscription to Nebula.
        • I no longer use Google Maps, opting for OSM instead.
        • I still use Android and unfortunately can’t unlock the bootloader but have degoogled as far as I know how, including never even registering a Google account with it (F-Droid + Aurora Store).

        YouTube is far and away the biggest means by which I interact with Google, and that falls off a cliff if I’m forced to interact with a mess of their ridiculously shitty ads every time I have to use it. uBO has likely saved hundreds of hours of watching ads over my lifetime (and probably thousands of dollars from not being subconsciously influenced by ads), and I’m not paying a subscription fee to such an unethical company to get rid of the ads. This would bring me from YouTube as a timewaster to YouTube only as strictly necessary. Even though I don’t support them directly through ads, I do support them by supporting creators I like monetarily, by sharing links and maintaining the network effect, and by giving them plenty of metadata by interacting with their service. If they do this, they ensure that I continue to monetarily support competitors like Nebula and permanently lose a grip they’ve had on me since I was a kid.

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        That’s what we need tbh. If people get fed up and leave then eventually creators will too

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      If it doesn’t I will make something that records the entire f****** stream and removes the commercials out of it the old fashioned way If I have to. Not my first rodeo.

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        Yt-DLP and it’s variation (Seal, YTDLnis, etc.), newpipe and it’s variation (Tubular, Newpipe Sponsorblock, etc) already allow you to do this without having to get manual.

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          And I use YTDLP now. At some point they will make it inoperable. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t sorted it out yet.

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            “Seal downloader” from the Playstore and “Seal” from F-Droid are 2 very different apps. One is a a clone riddled with ads, the other one is FOSS goodness. You are free to guess which is which.

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          2 months ago

          Video content never changes, but the order and content of ads do. Automated browser, record the video 2-3 times. Diff the frames and slice out the ones that don’t match between runs.

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            I remember back in the day, there was programs that would identify ads and remove them off on air programs. I would imagine something like that would be possible. Although at that point, just skipping the “platform” altogether might be a better solution.

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          My guess: Youtube-dl derivative then an ffmpeg script to detect black frames that usually sandwich commercials on TV and delete the video inside those frames.

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        2 months ago

        I will find text versions of everything I need to learn about and create my own video, and then watch it.

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          Most likely, I just dedicate an old laptop, a 4k HDMI capture device, store off MP4 and feed it through comskip then take it h265 and store it off.

          If I don’t do anything tricky with the browser they can’t detect that I’m doing anything tricky at all.

          The only thing I’m a little concerned about is that they’re going to start doing advertising like broadcast TV did and put quarter screen commercials up for other shows in the middle of running shows.

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          2 months ago

          So you want someone to broadcast, and you’re willing to pay for it, but not willing to support the content creators in any way?

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            I would happily watch ads if they were non-intrusive and non-interrupting ads like side banners that don’t cause popups, or product placement inside videos.

            I would also pay for a platform where 100% of the money goes to paying for hosting and paying the creators.

            Neither of these things are happening, so yes, I would rather donate to support piracy.

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    Anyone else remember when new technology used to be fun and exciting instead of miserable?

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      That’s part of the reason why new community oriented projects are way more interesting to me now than most software. There are some outliers in the space who still have dedicated people in their craft rather than for money but it is fewer and farther between.

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      That’s what happens when you aren’t the (sole) paying customer.

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      Absolutely. Although, this is just making old technology worse because web 3.0 and AI aren’t performing to corpo expectations.

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      Long gone are the days when I used be excited to read update notes for new features… No I just hope they don’t god damn force an update on me.

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      Somewhere along the line, maybe the early to mid 2000’s they stopped making products “for” the end-user and flipped it around so the end-user (their data) is now the product, and the customers are governments, corporations, and share holders.

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        Because those shareholders (billionaires) and corporations drained the consumers of all of their money and now they’re the most profitable demographic to market to.

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    YouTube premium, only time I hear ads are when my coworkers crank their shit too loud in the office, or when I have a brand new phone and have forgotten to log in.

    Worth every red nickel.