• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    Vegans have been refining these arguments for a decade now and can present clear sharp moral stances with a counter to everything you have to say.

    this doesn’t make them right, and in fact often leads them to use easily debunked but rhetorically impressive arguments. that’s called sophistry.

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      3 months ago

      The rhetorically impressive and easily debunked argument:

      A) Slavery of sentient beings is wrong
      B) Animals are sentient
      ∴ Enslaving animals is wrong

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        3 months ago

        animal agriculture isn’t slavery. i don’t believe even vegans believe this syllogism rings true. if they did, we’d have a lot more harriet tubmans and a lot fewer tash petersons.

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        3 months ago

        i used a plural. it’s not just one argument. you’re not being very honest about the breadth of the arguments made.

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      3 months ago

      I disagree. The arguments vegans use are far more morally consistent and thought out than non vegans. Non vegans don’t reason themselves into the position and often don’t have a good justification for why they’re not vegan. When they are pushed they fall apart instantly.

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        3 months ago

        The arguments vegans use are far more morally consistent and thought out than non vegans.

        it’s true that vegans often think far more about the moral arguments around veganism. i, however, find the arguments to be unconvincing, and often sophistic.

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        3 months ago

        Non vegans don’t reason themselves into the position

        most of the time, maybe. but ex-vegans certainly do, among others.