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    Eh. I have plenty of pictures of my daughter naked as a baby. The weird part of this is showing off the naked picture to a stranger on the bus and making mention of the genitals in specific.

    Anyway, everyone knows that naked baby pictures are used to torture children in front of their serious romantic partners brought home for the first time. This has not happened in my 14-year-old daughter’s life yet, but I hope to one day have this privilege that comes with parenting.

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      Downvoted because taking pictures of your child is still weird even though you don’t show them to anyone

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      That second paragraph is pretty creepy actually, I think you’ve missed the point of the comic.

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          Yep, my wife has seen my little baby wiener. The awkward teenage pictures were far more embarrassing though. Hers are buried in a hoarder house so I might never get to see her embarrassing school band photos.

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            I wouldn’t want to see naked photos of a significant other as a minor, but maybe that’s just me.

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              It’s everyone who isn’t a weirdo

              This thread is giving me the ick

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                Yeah, definitely. At best they’re arguing tooth and nail for embarrassing their child in front of their partner, if not outright CP.

                Major ick.

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              Normal people don’t view children as sexual beings, so their junk just isn’t any different than their foot. Parents especially. I see my daughter’s vagina several times a day, frequently covered in poop. It doesn’t register any differently than any other part of her that needs cleaning.

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          Seeing someone naked as an adult isn’t the same thing as seeing them naked as a minor.

          You do see that, right?

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            Dude, this has been a traditional way for parents to embarrass their adult children in front of their partner for decades. My wife has seen my naked baby pictures without my parents even showing them to her. And I’ve seen hers. What’s the big deal? It’s not like either of us found them sexy.

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              Tbf child marriage is also traditional, Muhammed had a 9yo bride (it’s “ok,” he didn’t have sex with her until she was 11.)

              Defending things based solely on tradition can get pretty weird sometimes.

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                That’s a tradition that ended a long time ago. I’m talking about traditions that are ongoing. Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

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                  I think you may be surprised and hopefully disturbed by this UNICEF article.

                  Despite a steady decline in this harmful practice over the past decade, child marriage remains widespread, with approximately one in five girls married in childhood across the globe. Today, multiple crises – including conflict, climate shocks and the ongoing fallout from COVID-19 – are threatening to reverse progress towards eliminating this human rights violation. The United Nations Sustainable Development Goals call for global action to end child marriage by 2030.

                  So no, it was not “a long time ago.” It’s “hopefully by 2030.”

                  Also traditions that, despite someone else’s claim, probably don’t cause any psychological harm, at least most of the time.

                  Oh, so as long as you don’t believe the person and can therefore invalidate their feelings without guilt, and it only psychologically hurts “some” people who you I suppose arbitrarily believe over the ones you don’t, it’s fine?

                  Not sure I can agree with you on this one.

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              Chopping part of your child’s dick off has also been traditional for decades, that’s a very poor justification for that behaviour.

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              You do understand that to cultures where this isnt the norm, it sounds ridiculous to show naked pictures of your child when they were an infant to, well anyone?

              It being a tradition has no bearing on it being awful or not. Circumcision is a tradition.

              I’m sure you can find a more modern way to embarrass your child without resorting to CP?

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                Which cultures? And why do they get to decide what is right and what is wrong?

                Also, naked photos of children are not child porn. Do you think they come out of the womb with clothes on?

                I had to clean shit out of my daughter’s vagina regularly when I changed her diapers. Was that, similarly, sexual assault?

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                  I personally have no use for pictures of baby genitals, but you really do huh? It even makes you upset we want to take away your baby genital pictures huh?

                  Is this some perverse form of individualism?

                  Edit: if you took a picture of you cleaning your daughters vagina out, and showed someone, yes that would be child porn and child abuse.

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              Today I learned flying squid is okay with this kind of thing and that’s fucked up

              It’s a violation of privacy & consent

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              it’s still weird (source, i have parents), at least ask your daughter for consent first.

              I’d consider it to be a breach of my privacy otherwise.

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                They’re baby pictures. We’re not talking about something erotic here. Naked babies are not some sort of scandalous thing. In most cultures, they’re normal.

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                  Taking photos of naked children isn’t, and shouldn’t, be normal in any culture I’m familiar with, and you definitely shouldn’t be showing them to anyone.

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                  i didn’t take them and i didn’t consent to them existing either. Neither did i consent to them being shown to anybody.

                  Naked humans are also normal, yet we still wear clothes. babies included, weirdly enough.

                  At what point does “naked baby photos” turn to “naked children photos” is my question.

                  how about this. You can have your naked baby photos, you just also have to be in the photo and naked as well.

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                  DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT CONSENT IS

                  YOU LEARN IT AT SCHOOL, ITS VERY IMPORTANT

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          NO IT IS NOT

          Always get the consent of the now adult that was in the picture as a child or don’t take the picture if they are still a child

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      My response, when my mom showed my first partner naked baby pictures was to nudge my partner and say "don’t worry, I’ll send you some more recent ones.

      My mom super didn’t appreciate the joke, but she never pulled out baby pictures for future partners.

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      Torture? Why people have such trouble with their romantic interest seeing pictures of you naked when you looked totally different?

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        It’s not actual torture. It’s just embarrassing your kid over something that most people would consider trivial as a form of ribbing them.

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            You’d sure think so from some of these responses.

            But I do enjoy the person who thinks you need to get consent from a baby to ethically take its picture.

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              We’re talking about in the nuddy here, in which case you really should have a good case for taking that photo.

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                The good case is that the child was just born and didn’t come out clothed. Something many of you don’t seem to understand.

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                So many of you think babies come out clothed.

                You also have this absolutely ludicrous idea in your heads that having a naked photo of your baby is child pornography. And yet none of you have an example of a parent facing legal repercussions for it. And somehow that doesn’t clue you in that it is, in fact, not child pornography.

                And then there’s the Finnish guy who is telling you all what prudes you are. One of the few sane takes.

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                  Seems like these people are sexualizing babies and then making you seem like the crazy one. It’s kind of insane.

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                  Naked photos of children is pretty much the definition of CP, yes.

                  A parent is unlikely to face prosecution unless they share the photos, but that doesn’t mean it’s legal.

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                  Thanks, please carry on telling me what kind of ideas I have. Forgive me for thinking babies have some rights.

                  No one said it’s child porn. It’s just that when parents show off your naked baby pictures it gets uncomfortable for everyone, as many here have expressed.

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          Wrong, it is a form of mental torture and a violation of your privacy and consent

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            I keep asking for evidence that anyone, anywhere has had lasting mental health damage from this and congratulations, you’re the latest to just assume it happens without evidence.

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              You’ve shown in your replies to numerous comments that you are ignoring the personal accounts of others sharing their experiences they don’t like it and for some reason want peer reviewed sources

              If you where to compile the data of these responses into data that would form the basis of a paper

              Why is it so important to defend this for you that you ignore anything that doesn’t conform to your own biases and views on it flying squid

              Your wanting of peer reviewed evidence or psychological evidence seems to stem from the ignorance of anything that doesn’t conform to your views and biases on this

              And your responses to people ignoring their accounts of not liking it comes of as rude, distasteful and ignorant

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                What personal account? I have not seen a single personal account. Please link to one.

                All I have seen is people who have claimed it would traumatize them if it happened to them, which they cannot know.

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      Oh ew that’s some borderline pedo shit. “Here’s the person you’re fucking as a baby. Hahaha you’re sexually attracted to a baby. I created child pornography just to make you uncomfortable because you’re a normal, non-pedophilic person”

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        Sorry, you think taking a photo of a baby when they’re born is done with the express purpose of doing something decades later?

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    I think it might be the clinical word vagina vs wee wee, but vajayjay still would be weird in this context. Honestly, dont show strangers your kids genitals.

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      Yes, all genitals seem weird to show people. I don’t even show them to my parents. I tried not to take them at all, and instead tried to take a few with angles that obscured any private areas. I think my parents have seen a couple of those, but I don’t even send them.

      Perhaps the comic is from the mindset 40 years ago. I could easily see parents of that era doing this and thinking it was fine.

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    I feel.like we generally give women a pass on A LOT of weird behaviors about children.

    That does include elevated attention to the genital area (seriously, why? Leave our genitals alone ffs), borderline fetishizing breastfeeding, and also a lot of other stuff.

    Like, for example, I had several women independently telling me how baby feces smell nice and milky. Like, what the hell and why do y’all feel it’s appropriate for a casual conversation???

    Or that they love to smell baby feet. Huh? Funny thing I first got those stories after seeing a TV ad (was a while ago) with a woman burying her face in baby feet.

    I can only assume this is either a result of hormonal shifts throughout pregnancy, or that there’s plenty more female pedophiles than we knew.

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      women are pure. they can talk about a baby’s genitalia and it’s cute. if a man wants to be a kindergarten teacher, though, whoa, pedophile alert!

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      I had several women independently telling me how baby feces smell nice and milky.

      Likely some instincts playing a prank. A lot of mammals lick their baby’s shit.

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      People are too weird about genitals. Our culture finds it so uncomfortable to talk to their sons about cleaning their penis that we started cutting the foreskin off to spare them the embarrassment.

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        This is so screwed, too.

        Like, I was once tasked to explain to my nephew how to properly clean a penis at, like, age of 7. C’mon, parents, what are you there for?!

        Just literally teach it alongside cleaning every other body part, what’s the issue? Why should another man show this in particular to your kid?

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        This doesn’t make it justifiable, but circumcision goes back a lot longer than our culture has existed. If Judaism had won out instead of Christianity, it could have been even more widespread than it is now. Some Muslim sects also mandate circumcision, and they could be the ones ruling the world.

        Unfortunately, circumcision is a particular form of mutilation that transcends cultures.

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          Unfortunately, circumcision is a particular form of mutilation that transcends cultures.

          a lot of mutilation goes back centuries for human history. You can pick up any variety of mutiliation and it’s been done, scarrification, penile subincisions, foot binding, skull stretching, i can keep going.

          Just because it’s historically common and pervasive doesn’t mean we should consider it to be normal. The aztecs commited human sacrifice, and we think capital punishment is bad enough that we need to hide it away from the general public and make it “sterile” which in reality means using a completely botched medical injection process.

          also what culture “should be” does not determine what it is now, i’m not sure the legality of naked baby photos to begin with tbh, i’m pretty sure they’re still considered to be CP, unless legally stated otherwise somewhere. They wouldn’t count as CSAM i think, since there’s not abuse going on, but arguably it might count as CP still.

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      About smell :
      “In 2021, inhalation of hexadecanal was found to reduce aggression in men but to trigger aggression in women.[4] Hexadecanal is one of the most abundant substances emitted by human babies from their heads, which may be an evolutionary survival mechanism to induce mothers to defend the baby and fathers to not attack it. But it is not yet known whether the amount of hexadecanal emitted by humans is sufficient to affect other humans.”
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecanal

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    I get a chuckle about Ultra sound images as well. It’s fine if a woman wants to post those photos of her insides on the Internet. But I’m the bad guy if I say “Jessica pop that pussy open let’s see it in person.”

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    I mean, penises are just inherently funny. Look at them, they’re ridiculous.

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    So labia, then? Or vulva, maybe. Unless that camera is an internal one, they’re likely not seeing any vaginas.

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      Of course, you’re technically very right - what they see is not vagina.

      But in the culture, the word often simply refers to female genitals as a whole.

      That doesn’t mean anyone using that word is not aware of the words “labia” and “vulva”, they can even differentiate between labia majora and labia minora etc.

      But for the sake of brevity and simplicity, people just say “vagina”, even if it’s not necessarily a technically correct term.

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      I feel you and what everyone is doing annoys me too, but our only recourse is to do something worse.

      My proposal: we start calling our cock “corpora cavernosa”.

      Examples:

      • “Hey, Chumley, don’t just stand there with your corpora cavernosa in your hand.”
      • ”He’s being a total corpora cavernosa!”
      • ”My corpora cavernosa got pinched by my zipper.”
      • ”Hey, bro, does my corpora cavernosa hook off to the right?”
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        Dark Arc is saying that it is generally considered a bad thing, contrary to the comic which is implying that it is generally considered good or neutral when it should be considered bad.

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          you guys missed the point. neither should be bad. it’s only bad because of how we sexualize eveything. it’s the sexualization that’s bad, and honestly, that wouldn’t even be that bad if it weren’t for the patriarchal exploitation of sex.

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            Shouldn’t both be bad? Stop sharing naked photos of people who can’t give you consent to do so.

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              there is nothing inherently wrong with our naked bodies. society has conditioned us to have shame. once upon a time, being naked was normal.

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                STOP SHARING NAKED IMAGES OF PEOPLE WHO CANNOT CONSENT

                IT IS THEIR BODY, NOT THEIR PARENTS AND NOT YOURS

                WHY IS CONSENT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

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                Yeah I’d still rather people not show off photos of me without them asking. Its okay to have privacy.

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                  This has now gone to: sharing baby pictures is a privacy violation because the baby can’t give consent.

                  Lot of very special people in this thread on Lemmy today.

  • His issue was phrasing. The woman used a euphemism which significantly shifted her perceived intentions. “Look at his little wee-wee” is far removed from “look at his little penis.” Synonyms are not created equal, so simply substituting without considering connotation will only cause confusion. He should have said “get an eyeful of her little vagina.”

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    I wish I was still dumb enough to be conservative. I was happier than. I hate myself now everyday I wish I had the courage to kill myself

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      Conservatives live in an endless cycle of outrage and fear, the fuck you talking about happy

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        Maybe comfortable is the better word.

        That is, anger, outrage, paranoia, and ignorance are their comfort zone. It’s what they know. And in my little corner of the world, the more vociferously conservative they are, the less self-aware they are about it.

        It’s really pervasive in ways I never truly realized until way too far into adulthood when I was working to get that shit out of my own head.