Not at all an important detail but pepe did not become a white nationalist symbol until winging dip shit out of touch loser candidate said it was.
It’s made up BS. Most of the conservatives using pepe avatars don’t even know wtf fuentes is. I can confirm because I’m one of those people who wears a pepe the frog mask on forums. The left-wing and MSM hate that conservatives have this mask to anonymize themselves with and they’re trying to peg them all to a white nationalist is an attempt to discredit and take down the entire group.
Well it’s not going to work. I’m going to keep posting conservative things behind a pepe avatar. You can call me whatever you want. Say I’m a follower of fuentes, or hitler, or satan, or devour the souls of the innocent like cthulhu. I don’t care. I’m still gonna wear my frog mask.
You…wear a mask? On forums? So that people can’t see you while you’re posting…? What are you talking about?
I think people hate right-wingers because they commit so much more violence on average. Like, by a factor of like 700%.
Why do you side with such violent people?
“The left hates us because we’re frog furries” is one of the takes of all time.
There it is… Best comment I’ll read all day.
When the only redeeming quality of your speech is that it is free, then your speech is also worthless. Using the pepe avatar is just the discount sticker making it easier to spot.
Wow your just dumb or racist. Ain’t no two ways about it. Guess it’s confessional time.
Look, i agree with you; but please check your spelling before you call someone dumb online.
The lowercase “i” has me weeping babes.
[I get that.] I turned auto correct off years ago and cant be bothered to hit shift most of the time. Besides, im not calling anyone stupid.
“im” still has me actually smiling. Yeah, sort of. You’re giving prescriptive advice, which is what’s giving me the giggles. It’s funny.
Poor Pepe didn’t deserve to be turned into a hate symbol. Now all my rare Pepes are worthless.
Haha… yes, the Pepe mask is for conservatives “to anonymize themselves”, even though the forums and platforms they’re already on are already anonymous?
Don’t kid yourself - its just a virtue signal to the conservative racist ingroup that you’re one of them. Its a ‘safe space hat’.
You reply to some random repost of a Twitter comment that its all part of an evil leftist MSM plot to get rid of the Pepe avatars but you’re standing proud in defiance? Nobody is trying to get rid of them - they’re handy identifiers for trolls and chuds. But yeah, uh… great speech. Preach. Keep your cute frog mask!
Imagine a Nazi. Now imagine someone who hates Nazis for not being even worse.
I think that’s called a KillerNazi, then there MegaNazis, GigaNatzi and TeraNazis. At some point they’ll come out with PetaNazis, but right now they’re too expensive to be commercially available
One of 'em sure did kill a nazi
Triggered this dude
The fuckers can carry on knocking each other off and Vlad should advise them to use the 6th floor windows and balconies instead of bullets.
Bullets are more traditionally murican.
Wait till you read about the meme wars. This goes deeper than most people know.
Context? What’s the other faction? The first one is likely https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Groypers?lang=en but I dunno the second.
The other faction got shot in the neck.
the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die
This lot don’t even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let’s have a bit of self-respect around here.
This isn’t even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he’s definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.
He fucked that catboy didn’t he?
I wonder if he found a cute catboy earlier in life he would have turned out differently
Cuddling cute catbois is a known preventative measure to Nazism.
Please cuddle catboys.
instructions unclear: found neonazi catboy bf
Hellsing fan?
From what I’m gathering, it seems like one group is more “traditionally” American racism… And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they’re racists and not worth the oxygen they’re consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I’d hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would… I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
… Not that I’m complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself… I’m just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that’s an absolute win IMO.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can’t really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
I generally hate people. I don’t want to be authoritative over anyone. I don’t want the responsibility.
I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that’s what drives their base actions.
More or less, yes. It’s the satisfaction that comes from power.
The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they’ve fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they’ve built vanishes.
Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional “Brick and mortar and nooses” racists
Potato, potato.
Don’t go fucking dragging Nardwuar into this. He has paid his dues. HE IS TOO OLD FOR THIS SHIT.
If he could get Trump to do the hip flip, we might be able to move past all of this (since Trump probably wouldn’t survive the attempt)
Shhh, that’s our thing.
So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.
late stage
You are far more optimistic than I, my friend.
I mean the government isn’t necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who’s the biggest fascist that means shit’s up.
Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn’t always mean anything significant is going down.
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don’t think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We’re approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
This is it.
The “true believers” in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn’t paying attention.
But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren’t cool with barely contained barbarism.
This is not the late stages. This is not even the honeymoon.
According to the show and soon to be documentary, Cyberpunk 2077, it’s gonna get weird.
I don’t think I understand any of what’s being said here. Don’t know the term, don’t know the references being made in the post.
Yeah OP doesn’t explain. Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
TL:DR turbo racists who don’t find Trump or Kirk racist enough.
Wth, I went to urban dictionary for the explanation, and there was a wikipedia page about it all along?!
Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there’s still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it’s so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.
So I elected to share it and go, “Dog, this info is wild y’all gotta do your own research because wtf.”
Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I’ll remember to share those links if I spot them and they’re highly credible.
In late 2022 and early 2023, the Groyper movement shifted away from its longtime position of supporting Trump and instead began promoting Kanye West’s presidential campaign.
How does this …even fit
I reckon they’re just a bunch of turbo-charged trollers that only say stuff to get a rise out of people. Consistency isn’t important to them.
Kayne West is a crazy Nazi, didn’t you know? It’s not like being black would make him immune to fascism.
Nick Fuentes and Kanye became friends at some point. I wish I was kidding.
As always with fascism, the blatant contradictions are a feature not a bug.
“”““friends””“”
That totally makes sense. A black man and an ulra-racist anti-black became friends
Nothing makes sense anymore.
Thanks for the context. Also, wtf
Is that like a grouper but with a South African accent?
Basically racists got mad Pepe got reco-opted by democratic protestors in Hong Kong so they decided to make their own frog to put racist shit on, this is how a decent chunk of America passes the time.
I’ve no idea what this means, but if they’re just racist PoS I don’t think I care about nuance.
Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called ‘groypers’ led by Nick Fuentes. There’s an online meme ‘persona’ of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It’s the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn’t think was possible but here we are.
It’s the punisher skull shit all over again
It’s so true. Conservatives are so uncreative that they miss the most basic elements of storytelling that most of us grasp as children.
They haven’t made anything creative of their own since the swastika, and even that was stolen from Hindus. All they do is take take take, and then ruin everything they fucking touch.
They adopted Pepe?
That’s a shame. It was a good meme there for a while. I had no idea that it was being tied to racist bullshit.
Thanks for the heads up. I guess I can’t use that meme anymore. I don’t want to be associated with these chuckle fucks.
they co-opted pepe, much like with punisher logo to twist it.
Pepe is actually a reclaimed racist meme. Most of this 4chan racism about the frog is from 2016 or so. If you’re ever on twitch, you’ll see it all over the place because it’s a huge part of their culture.
Weird. I spend a nontrivial amount of time on Twitch and I don’t see that at all.
I’m speaking particularly of chat emotes. I still see it all the time, but it may vary by channel.
That’s fair. Chat emotes can vary wildly from streamer to streamer.
Yeah there’s a documentary about the guy who created pepe and how he hates that it’s been co-opted by awful people. I forget what it’s called.
Seriously? For like 15 years, you’ve only seen pepes posted by people who don’t mind being mistaken for a racist.
I never made the association. Idk. Maybe I haven’t been looking carefully enough.
To be fair, I don’t seem to encounter a lot of racists, because I usually actively avoid them, and I also really haven’t used Pepe very much either.
There’s no lack of memes to replace Pepe, so I’m mostly unbothered by all of this.
I’ve been on the Internet too long to bother with every nuance of everything that’s going on. There’s way too much on here for me to care.
Honestly you’re not alone. This is the first I’ve heard to any extent that Pepe was used by racists at all. I’ve seen some pretty heartfelt animations using the likeness and no hint to any extent that racism was somehow attached to it.
Jesus dude. Go back and look at all those pepe posts. Recognise the pattern
Maybe I’m not chronically online enough or in whatever channels where whatever you’re talking about is going on as I’m not even sure where it is I would go to ‘go back and look’. Are there like entire communities sharing pepe memes or something?
Yeah. I figured as much. There’s still a lot of lurkers on Lemmy, and I assume that at least some of them have seen the comments and agreed at some extent.
Though, someone seems to be down voting comments around here. I dunno, I’m just some dude.
I’ve noticed a lot more down votes lately and I have no idea why. I still couldn’t give any less of a shit if I’m down voted or not, it’s just an interesting trend for my brain to look at.
Have a good day friend.
whup, complaining about downboats or bragging about upvotes is an automatic downvote. Do I have to teach you EVERYTHING about Internetting??
Yup, I’ve noticed the same. You have a good one as well!
