I’m talking about this sort of thing. Like clearly I wouldn’t want someone to see that on my phone in the office or when I’m sat on a bus.
However there seems be a lot of these that aren’t filtered out by nsfw settings, when a similar picture of a woman would be, so it seems this is a deliberate feature I might not be understanding.
Discuss.
Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic… It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I’ll agree, there’s no nudity… I would get in trouble. I’ve left some chatroom due to this… People just don’t understand that I don’t care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it
As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I’ve blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn’t applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.
I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.
But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.
I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.
But, to me, it’s just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
!anime@ani.social mostly posts key visuals and posters, episodes discussions, and news. Stuff you’d see in public.
The actual fanart side of things tends to stick to !anime_art@ani.social and !animepics@reddthat.com
the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
That wouldn’t be an issue if you’d fulfilled your duty as a parent and educated her on the classics.
You have a point, actually.
Yes. Problem is that NSFW has lost its original meaning to a lot of people. NSFW was originally to hide things that might be controversial to be visible on your screen in a workplace, so it should be fairly conservative. Beachwear would 100% not be safe to look at in a work environment.
But now a lot of places are using it to determine what is safe to look at not in front of your boss, but in front of your kids or in public. That is a much different thing. NSFW flags should not be used to restrict kids from seeing it, just your boss. There needs to be a separate flag for hiding things from kids. And because social norms are different in different societies, there should be even more granularity in the flags. Nudity is just one thing that is NSFW.
NSFW should be reserved for blocking things that I don’t want to suddenly appear on my screen when I’m browsing the Internet on my break at work when I’m allowed to browse the Internet, but it wouldn’t be good for a naked picture to show up on my screen suddenly.
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Of course it should. NSFW doesn’t mean too hot to handle. It means, I don’t want coworkers or customers seeing this on my screen, as a matter of professionalism.
I think if you wouldn’t use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that’s NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.
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NSFW has become code for porn, effectively. My friend and I use NSFO for ‘not porn, maybe not even nudity, but not necessarily appropriate for the office’. Maybe that’s what we need. A second filter.
I see plenty of memes labeled NSFW. I sometimes assume they’re porn and keep scrolling. Sometimes I recognise the image even through the filter and I’ll click on it. I find this very confusing. It’s not a bad idea to have two different terms. But I feel that that might get lost in the sauce as the term has already gone critical mass. People will probably start to use them interchangeably.
Who the fuck is using Lemmy at work…?
Lots of us have breaks & lunch, or just slow/down time.
I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.
I’m a fan of how e621 does things:
rating:s (safe)
rating:q (questionable)
rating:e (explicit,)
But I would add another:
rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)
Call it “purity” and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).
Moreover I don’t think these need to be on a single scale. Like, trauma isn’t “more” than pornographic, it’s just something completely different (ideally).
There can be a scale of safe to unsafe for a variety of reasons, and people might be able to filter what they see more proactively based on their own tolerances (and interests).
But then again complexity can be a deterrence. Tagging and cataloging can be a big content management problem and I think most want to do the simplest thing possible.
But maybe content advisory could be a crowd sourced effort, using a up/down ranking on explicit categories just like we can do on posts.
It would be great if everything could be classified in this way, but is it practically possible to apply a more complex system like this across instances, given that we struggle with the simpler NSFW tag?
The reason why people are struggling with one tag may also be exactly because it’s only one tag.
It’s difficult to categorize gray as black or white, after all.
Imo, the real issue is how not to go overboard, adding more and more tags, and keeping things easy to filter.
Perhaps. I’m not expert but I’m just not convinced you’d get good compliance across instances.
After all, even minimal non- compliance makes the whole thing pointless
Can’t the same be said about what we have right now, though?
No system is flawless, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to uphold the ones that work.
Makes sense to me.
I just came in my snuggie, thanks a lot
I feel like the Internet needs more tags:
- Explicit (rude language, nudity, etc)
- Porn (nsfw legacy tag)
- Violence
- Not safe for life
Something like that.
- Gross
These aren’t even enough.
The tag for this particular problem would be something like “mildly suggestive” because it’s literally just skin that some people don’t want to see.
Yeah, I agree. I do sort of understand op’s consternation. I don’t browse Lemmy on my work PC, but sometimes on lunch or in public I pull it up on my phone on All communities and I’m suddenly conscious that everyone beside me can see the “sfw” furry and anime art that I scroll past.
However, that’s kinda my fault. I don’t want to ban those communities because I like that stuff. It’s just a little odd that we call it sfw when, to be honest, I have a hard time picturing most work places where I live happy to see that on my desktop.
I wonder if Lemmy could easily do content warnings like on Mastodon. I don’t know if it’s part of the ActivityPub spec but it’s definitely a thing that’s been implemented elsewhere.
The answer to “is it part of the activityPub spec?” is more often than not a strong No.
I’ve seen sites that have something similar, including a “suggestive” tag for pics like OP’s.
Yeah, that would be great. Many instance admins already use CSAM classifier models on all incoming images. It’d be great if they could add additional models that could put meta tags on images automatically like “suggestive” and “gore” with the option for the poster to modify the tags just in case it was a false negative or positive. Like a lasagna getting gore, for example.
While I don’t really see that specific image as nsfw, you can point that out to the posters to mark it as such; or you can block communities or posters that you don’t think adhere to it consistently.
Edit: Neptunia series do have their fair share of fanservice as in their original artwork, so you could feel free to block that community
I would personally adhere to US Beachwear rules unless mods specify otherwise.
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No nipples, exceptions being for explicitly male, of photographs of cultures that generally do not cover breasts, or certain artistic or medical references.
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No pubic region that reveals any genitalia or anus.
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There is no third rule, literally anything goes, including the image you were wondering about.
So while some people might object to a lot of the content we see, I don’t personally think it is problematic. Especially when your instance has images collapsed by default, except for thumbnails.
- Gratuirous inages of children not relevamt to the plot
Those don’t require an NSFW tag because they’re actually strictly illegal throughout most of the world. You should report those regardless of if it’s got the correct tags, if not to the moderators then to the authorities.
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Maybe expecting a community about women with huge tits and jiggle physics to not be a little risqué is the problem.
I browse by active and get this in my feed without having interest in it, so it’s not just people specifically visiting certain communities.
Subscribed exists for a reason.
I don’t want to live in a bubble for one but, more importantly, a new user will not have subscriptions.
Then that’s the risk you take browsing unfiltered content. Especially on Lemmy, you are never going to get this consensus on how to tage content. So if you are in a place where you can’t see sensitive content, then stick to more filtered content. This is like day 1 internet stuff.
Again, this fails to cover both the cases of someone who is checking out mbin/lemmy for the first time as well as someone who does decide it’s maybe more than a sketchy site and doesn’t have subscriptions yet.
Yes, and it also fails to realise that you can turn off NSFW filtering if you want in settings. Settings exist for a reason. If you want to view lemmy just in your subscribed communities that’s fine. If you want to turn off NSFW filtering, that’s fine. If you want to blur it all, that’s fine. You do you. Fix the settings how you like, but there’s no need for folks to hate on us for wanting to use the Not Safe For Work filter as it’s designed.
The OP is literally about the images not being flagged as NSFW.
So block that community and you wont see posts from it.
I mean it should be fairly obvious, but sometimes a person is at home while browsing, and might like to see these. Other times they are at work while browsing and could actually get into trouble for viewing them
This is about the “not safe for work” tag, isn’t it?
If you wanna browse at work, use a different account then? As others said, ‘NSFW’ is applied differently by different people (I don’t think the example provided is NSFW, it’s skimpy, but not lewd), at some point you have to have some self responsibility.
and sometimes you have to accept that other people want to use the Not Suitable For Work filter as designed. If you don’t like it, you can turn it off in settings.
Other times they are at work while browsing
Well, there’s your problem. What in fuck’s name are you doing wasting time on lemmy when you should be working…?
And, if for some unconscionable reason you need lemmy for work and your IT aren’t competent enough to have blocked it in the company firewall, just make yourself a work-specific user and browse by subscribed (though if you really needed it for work you’d almost certainly be going to specific communities anyway, not to the aggregated views…
Why get cross with people who want to use the Not Suitable For Work filtering at work? If you don’t like it, turn it off. It’s in settings. No one’s forcing you to use lemmy the same way other users do.
I mean, I do for a lot of porn and some other communities (I’m not personally into anime at all, so those are usually among them). There are still two issues remaining:
- someone may be browsing and, through no fault of their own, have such a thing shown that can get them in trouble with their job or other community
- it can impact first impressions of new and potential users who may just give everything a skip thinking it’s only some shady/porn site.
I mean, congrats on finding content outside your bubble then. If you don’t like it, use the tools available to you.
Like the Not Suitable For Work filter, you mean?
Where the NSFW line is drawn varies depending on the moderator and community. If there are communities that are either not moderated actively enough or draw that line too far to one side for your taste, then don’t subscribe or block those communities. Those tools exist there for a reason.
I would not consider the post you have linked to as NSFW. I also think that the NSFW tag has evolved over time, so perhaps my definition of NSFW just doesn’t line up with what today’s standard should be. There are plenty of anime characters in very popular shows that have a character design similar to that. There are big billboards of them some places to promote the show. Just because it might be NSFW in your work environment/region, does not mean it is everywhere.
Just because it might be NSFW in your work environment/region, does not mean it is everywhere.
Yeah. It’s not a question of right or wrong, it’s a question of whether a moderator (or community) is willing to put into the extra effort to allow folks in sensitive reading environments (or sensitive readers, I suppose) to participate.
I am constantly, personally, under the impression that there are no Anime communities on Lemmy, even though I frequently read “new/all”.
I genuinely think there aren’t very many. That’s true right? I haven’t blocked like 700 of them already? I don’t give much thought to blocking an unmoderated community, so it could be.
(Sarcasm) Which is tragic for those communities, because my Anime hot takes are on fleek.(/sarcasm)
I think anime has become one of the more active niche interest communities on lemmy. The most active general anime community is !anime@ani.social (shameless plug).
In general, myself and some of the other more active posters have been migrating and encouraging other related communities to be located on the ani.social instance. Part of the reason behind that is that it lets users that just really don’t want to see any anime content (see this thread) simply block the instance and move on.
I know all about anime hot takes though. I have previously professed to hating Clannad so much I couldn’t watch past the first couple of episodes.
I have previously professed to hating Clannad so much I couldn’t watch past the first couple of episodes.
Damn, that sure is a hot take
Depends
Clannad? Valid
After-Story?
