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Fuck Windows. Most overrated OS.
OSChromeOS wannabe.
Why does anyone use windows?
For me, Minecraft bedrock (for kids) but looks like anything MS tainted will start (or maybe already does) require windows.
Looks like I have to decide what to do soon because they’re still on W10.
it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.
I have one extremely important game that is a half life 1 mod and will NOT run on Linux.
Plus, pretty much all I do on my main desktop is play games.
It’s stupid, honestly. I was trying to play Fallout New Vegas for the fifth time, and starting the game I realized the main radio station of the game, which repeats forever, was mute. For my weird taste, this was a dealbreaker, as IDK how they do it, but their playlists have this quality to immerse me in the game no matter how many times I listen to them. Tried every fix I could find to sort this problem with no success. So, back to Windows 10, and it works. At this point of time, I don’t play New Vegas, but there are so many GB to download, partitions to extend, etc. I guess in December I will try to go back to Linux.
A lot of software still requires Windows.
Games are a big one for sure, but there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not run on Linux.
This is a myth and has been for several years. The only games that do not work with linux are ones that have intentionally artificially disallowed the use of linux using kernel level anticheat (rootkit). Many of these games worked on linux until adding no-linux policies to their anticheat.
There is no technical incompatibility, only artificial policy choices that game companies have made
@theunknownmuncher @TheFeatureCreature
Ok let’s give you some more software which still don’t work with linux
- recordbox
- serato
- traktor
- engine djWhile recordbox 6 still worked in a kvm environment … recordbox 7 crashes even in this environment.
You can to a certain degree avoid maybe serato or traktor and use “engine dj in a kvm” but recordbox for preparing usb sticks is a must for nearly every dj.Again, further proving my point. Rekordbox was arbitrarily designed to detect if it is being run with WINE to prevent use with linux. There is no technical incompatibility, only a policy choice, and you can get rekordbox to run with linux if you jump through hoops to defeat the WINE detection.
I have been trying to get the sims to work on my wife’s Linux laptop. I can either get it to run at 3-4fps, or I can get it to run without the ability to save anything.
I have Steam deck and with every game I have tried on it so far working, I thought it would be the same with a laptop. Boy was I wrong.
What distro of Linux did you install on the laptop? I’ve had no luck getting wine to work on Fedora, but my desktop is running Bazzite which is based on the steam deck OS and I’m games run great (sometimes with tweaking required).
Mint Cinnamon
Oh, Sims 4 fit girl pack Ive gotten to run consistently on Cinnamon. Feel free to ping me sometime if you try it and run into an issue, I may be able to get lucky with a pointer.
It’s got a shit ton of expansions in it.
I receive this error while running the setup.exe through lutris.
I also tried installing the version you can download through lutris which seems to only be a simsync app that never connects to anything.
Edit to add:
Not sure which Sims you’re referring to, but it looks like it should work: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=the+Sims+
It looks like The Sims 4 is the only one that might need some tinkering. Stupid EA installers…
Though the only entry for the first Sims game that appears in the results is the “Legacy Collection,” so if you’re referring to like the original CD-ROM or something, it might be different.
Edit: just noticed that Sims 3 doesn’t appear to have any entries on ProtonDB so I don’t know… If any of them don’t work is most likely because of EA bullshit
Sims 4, and I have tried every version of Proton, I have tried proton ge or whatever it is, I have tried every suggestion in the sims 4 protondb entry.
I have tried the suggestions in my thread about it. (I think there was one I still need to try, actually)
I have the fitgirl repack, I have tried via steam, I have tried the .exe from EA.
Weird. I’m pretty sure I have played via steam and it worked. I’ll maybe try later if I remember.
Bummer, sorry to hear that.
I never gave a reason why a game would/wouldn’t run on Linux. I just said that games are a reason some people continue to use Windows.
It’s a very small subset of games and most are live service microtransaction garbage not worth playing anyway. Many are spyware and viruses disguised as games, eg Valorant
The quality of those games is irrelevant. The user asked why people still use Windows and I gave a few examples. Simple as that.
You are arguing for the sake of it.
No, they’re saying you are making a mountain of molehill and using it as justification. You are saying you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Now you two feel free to proceed, I have my popcorn.
Yeah but they are saying a reason why people don’t move, not a justification of why he isn’t.
That said I had to run a program that detected my computer specs for a job interview recently, and they flagged my machine because I had just booted Windows in Virtual box so I could hopefully pass their test. Instead I had to borrow my spouses laptop, run the test then went back to using my computer for everything else once the test was over.
That said, you should never take a job that requires you to use your own hardware… But desperate times…
The user asked why people still use Windows and I gave a few examples.
You gave examples, but they were incorrect and invalid examples. As I already corrected you, you’re parroting a myth because games do run on Linux. In fact, games run better and faster on linux than windows
I just wanted to chime in that there’s far more reasons that your software doesn’t work on Linux than just the developer saying no.
Basically, if your game or software has to interface with anything at the driver level, such as a keyboard or a headset configuration software, or anything that needs to access complete system access such as kernel level access or being able to see processes outside of the wine environment. It’s going to be incompatible. This is by design for system security and is unlikely to change on official releases any time soon.
Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft, so be it the Microsoft account services, the authentication token services, multiplayer services, applications on the MS store etc, it’s going to be a no go as they have yet to make a decent translation layer for those systems. Being said with the push for demand of Game Pass on PC, there are people working on those projects, but I haven’t personally seen anything that had decent progress.
I have to hard disagree with the statement that it’s a myth. Yes, many games will work with minor tinkering. However, We are still a long way from having something that is just a click play and it works style system and it’s not usually from developer choices (outside of choosing not to make a Linux distributable)
Being said, it has gone a long way since I started using Linux back with Mint Maya. ProtonDB is an excellent resource to find known workarounds when it breaks, But you definitely should not go into any Linux system expecting it to “just work™”
Tell me you haven’t tried Proton on Linux without telling me you haven’t tried Proton on Linux.
I have multiple versions of proton installed currently. However, I’ve mostly given up on the glorious egg rolls because they seem to have caused more issues than they are worth. But if you have a specific version that you’ve found is easier to use and not as annoying, I’m up for suggestions.
Once my system loads, I’ll tell you what versions I’ve tried and which ones I’ve had issues with.
lmk
Currently I have proton GE 9-7 as my default for steam(with the hope that it works), and when that fails I swap to proton 9-0-4 or experimental, but I have GE 10-10 and 10-4 installed but they currently aren’t on any games as I haven’t got any games to seem to want to run with them.
Then on lutris main I’m using a custom runner for one of my games because it needs to get around EAC since standard support is iffy, but I default to Wine 10 for it as they state proton shouldn’t be used on non-steam. However I do have Lutris-GE-8-26 installed but it only ever worked right on one of the games.
Then for lutris on my distrobox Arch container(because FF XIV and Genshin launchers & controller support break for some reason otherwise) I use Wine-ge-8-26 which is a coinflip of if it lets me launch or crashes which makes me suspect that theres a race condition somewhere.
I haven’t had good experiences with GE which is why I was hoping you might have some recommendations on a /stable/ version if you can call GE stable lol
Tl;dr parrotted talking points completely irrelevant since 2022
Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft
If you want to specifically use Microsoft software then you have to use Microsoft software? Wow, gee, what a perceptive point. You got me there lmao
I’m parroting old talking points because those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.
I said I agree that wines gotten better, but I’m sick and tired of people thinking that it’s some sort of magical unicorn that can just resolve all the inner communication issues with Windows & Linux.
In the last 2 months alone I have had several games that have failed to launch completely. at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version. One game that required me to install a custom wine runner that’s specifically configured for the game to function, a handful of software incompatibilities, The most annoying of which being the software that is supposed to make my headset compatible with the computer, which required me due to the fact it’s not compatible with wine, to have to make my own audio profile to split the two mixes it has, and I’m currently working on a custom user interface for it to allow me to actually change the settings on the headset.
All of these examples are completely ignoring the reason that you provided of companies not wanting to support it. It’s just the support doesn’t exist in the current wine infrastructure. If we’re including the games that are using kernel level AC or disabling the usage on Linux, that list becomes bigger.
those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.
Nope!
at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version
So in other words, 10 games that worked on Linux…
10 games that /launched/ on linux. there is a difference. It was for sure not 10 games that ran the same as if in a windows enviroment. For example one of those games in that critera you can’t tab out of it or it hard crashes. (Safecracker if you were curious)
Another one of those games was “The Isle” which has a raving disco ball sky during the night time.
Then theres phas… which while it functions the mic support is iffy cant work in lobby and night vision video is broken
Of the popular titles, of what I tried was probably Phas, Death Stranding (random crashes when the BT’s show), Sniper Elite 3 (overall laggy), Ark SE (not surprising but it has massive pre-game queueing if the server is modded so it takes 20-30 minutes to enter a modded server), Genshin Impact (controller issue on my main OS so i need to run it on my Arch distrobox) and FF XIV which launcher crashes unless I run it in a distrobox, and has weird audio issues.
Games are a big one for sure
Unless we’re talking about the handful of kernel-level anti-cheat games where the devs have refused to allow Linux support through Proton, nearly every game you own will work. Most of them without any tinkering whatsoever.
I say this as a Linux user, Windows is still considerably easier to use and it certainly looks a lot slicker.
and it certainly looks a lot slicker.
As someone who is still required to use Windows on my work laptop, hard disagree.
Im genuinely curious as to what themes and DE you’re using that looks better. In Windows everything is slick and polished, stuff slides and bounces around, the colours are consistent and work together, it’s all pretty elegant. I’m using KDE right now and all that I get is the start menu thing changes shade when I hover the mouse over it. I also use Gnome and XFCE, Gnome is pretty good and XFCE is obviously really basic.
I still need to use it for university. We often need to use very specific programs for homework and I don’t know if I can always find an alternative on linux. Even if, I’d have to go through the hastle of converting to the requested file formats. And it’s not guaranteed that I will always find a solution for every course I’ll take. Unfortunately education still expects you to work with Windows and programs that only work on Windows.
Of course, your metrics may vary because every person’s situation is different, but I went through my associates and my bachelor’s CIS degree with very minor issues issues., Many colleges will state that it requires windows for the course, but then you’re able to use something like LibreOffice just fine. Like technically, the only course that I ever had to actually use windows for was my Microsoft Office course and that’s self-explanatory of why I needed Windows for that lol
“Install Linux, Problem Solved.”
Steam and lutris for non steam games. You literally need to learn one program and navigate one singular menu is another and voila every computer game just kinda works, at least in my experience.
Bazzite is pretty close.
It is now. If someone just uses the browser, they wouldn’t really notice if it was Linux. Well, they’ll notice because it would be faster. I have my entire Steam and GOG library setup on Linux and every game I want to play regularly works just fine. Yes there are instances where I’d need to get on the terminal but that’s quite rare.
I’ve used nothing but vanilla steam for windows games in Linux for a few years.
I think there’s the misconception that, because you can use other things, you HAVE to use other things.
Sad that you get downvoted for such a basic request.
The Linux techbros can suck a fat one.
Easy for them, but not everyone else. I’m saying this as someone who’s into PCs, used both OS, fixing them for a very long time, and seen a lot different kinds of userbases – some who don’t have formal PC use training. That in my part of the world, while Android is pretty prevalent for smartphones and gaming on them, pirated Windows is still being used for PCs because it’s so familiar for a lot of people, it’s almost the default, but for how long that’s gonna last as Windows is being made more like locked with DRMs and shit like that.
So Windows 10 LTSC isn’t affected by this?
LTSC IoT is good until 2032
I wouldn’t say good
Supported until 2032
hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.
Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.
The article explicitly pointed out this extended security patching does not cover support
It’s easy to agree with Microsoft when you don’t bother reading the article and just make up a reason to support their decision
There are a few ways of doing that without harvesting PII . This is just naked disdain for people not hooking up for oneChive overages.
It’s a different system if I understand the article correctly. It looks like its just a Microsoft account not a one drive sub. I’m expecting they are just going to only allow 10 computers per account and then when it hits max it stops getting support on new systems (since updates are involved I doubt they will let you remove devices like with the current activation system). Now I do expect that the payment is the same system, and considering their dark tactics at trying to get you to subscribe and update, I do assume this is going to make it easier to accidentally spend money or subscribe to other services though.
This just in, convicted monopoly Microsoft will fuck you over at every conceivable opportunity. Film at 11.
convicted monopoly
Well that’s a blast from the past. That was neat-o how Mr Boies nailed a conviction and the remedy was … An apology? Was it even that much?
Glad to see Microsoft is successfully building on that crushing no-remedy defeat by doing the same and more. #winning
It was actually significant, and changed them quite a lot for 2 decades. Now they don’t give a shit anymore. But there was an impact.
Woukd have been more significant if Bush admin hadn’t overridden the original judgment to break MS into 3 companies.
That’s a complicated way of saying that Microsoft recommends switching to Linux. /j
You joke but As of this last weekend I just did and it was pretty damned free…
What distro?
Fedora for the beast. Family media station is on Ubuntu
i wanted to try out Nobara when switching having only experienced Debian before (not such a great desktop experience then). Now, since i’m already hooked on a Fedora-Spinoff, if the installation ever dies, i will go pure Fedora too, it’s just a great experience :-)
Yup so far so good. Though there are one or two games I realized I have to say goodbye to but overall they weren’t going to be a big miss from my life.
Just a good excuse to start digging into some of the new games from steam sales that I never got around to.
Hmmm I’ve had more luck and haven’t encountered any game that wouldn’t run except for the anti heat titles. I have quite the collection over a wide field of platforms and decades, if you wouldn’t mind to tell me what didn’t work?
Oh sure. Destiny 2. Not that it’s a big loss really as i only casually play. It looks like it was intentionally meant to only play on windows though and bungie are doing what they can to keep it that way https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/263741503?page=0
Currently finding r6 as a bit high maintenance to get working too.
They both use battleeye so that’s probably the reason
So far that’s about it tho. All my main favourites seem to be installing without a hitch.(so far that is)
I’m running with GE latest.
I hate Windows. But I have to use Adobe suite. Wine doesn’t play nice. More than an hour of troubleshooting I feel is not worth it. I need to be working more than solving issues. Someone point me to how to make Adobe suite work (without hours of troubleshooting) and I’ll join the Linux team. Do not suggest other software options I get the files for Adobe they have to be Adobe specific.
If you’re not willing to try to escape the terrible enshittification of Adobe, I don’t think anyone’s gonna be able to help you.
That sucks. Sorry you have to deal with their bullshit AND Microsoft’s bullshit.
Other software might surprise you. 🤷♂️
I love the other software, Gimp ,etc. but yah I can’t change an entire industry to adapt.
I mean, usually you can think about your own process as a black box as long as you can take in whatever format they give and output whatever format they need.
You have to make your own decisions, of course. I just want to say: it’s not impossible.
Wine doesn’t play nice.
I don’t believe it’s Wine’s fault.
I’m ignoring you’re requirements and am gonna suggest you use GIMP instead. In all seriousness, you may want to look into a dual boot situation where you have Windows in a partition just big enough to do all the work you need to do. You could also look at VMs, but I’m not sure how well they would play with something that is resource hungry like Adobe products.
Yah. I like Gimp and hate Adobes garbage AI but Adobe files are a requirement for work. I have another computer for Linux stuff but truly wish I could get away.
Passthrough your GPU into a windows VM.
Ok. This might be interesting option if the lag isnt there. Any links/guides to accomplish this? Thank you.
have to use Adobe suite
You have already been damned. There is no hope.
Yep. I figured. I receive and deliver files in Adobe. I 've found a few work arounds before but yah it’s a non starter. At least I have a separate computer for daily Linux.
Honestly, Adobe and Microsoft deserve each other. It’s Adobe you should reach to get you a solution, not us, Linux users. As much as we would like to help you, you are caged by Adobe and your industry “standards”.
I’m so weirded out that Adobe has a native Linux version of their substance Suite. Only available via steam
I’d love to know what weird skunkworks shenanigans are happening in that Adobe apartment
https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps This may be what you need.
I mean… It’s not being turned off. You can still use Windows 10 if you want to, it’s just Microsoft don’t want to keep pushing security updates to it, and they’re like “Well if you want continued security updates you’re gonna have to sign in and pay for them”.
You can always go without those updates.
The fact that the extended coverage is locked behind the windows account paywall is known for a pretty good time already…
They said you could get the account, and 300 good boy points
OR Pay $30
What is Pete Davidson doing to that poor soul?
shakes fist
Family members have PCs that can’t support Windows 11 (not that I’d want them to get it anyway) and I’m not yet in the position to migrate them to Linux.
This type of behaviour makes me glad I’m most of the way to ditching MS entirely on my own systems.
Don’t worry, you can only get it for a single year. Next year it’s new or Linux.
I’ve switched a few of my family members to Linux Mint, they like it
Yes, I am likely to shift them to that as well.
I’m most of the way to ditching MS entirely on my own systems.
You can do it, Aussie. Bite his freaking head off.
Frustratingly I have just a few applications that are Windows-only and don’t work under WINE. I’ve filed bug reports but haven’t had the time to learn how to debug it myself, so am somewhat stuck dual-booting on one device for the near future (everything else is now Linux).
Oh good, M$ won’t try to break my machine anymore? Sweet, thanks for giving me a reason to use my local account only.
