bunch of greedy fucks.
greed should be a registered mental illness that’s no different than OCD, schizophrenia, or PTSD.
Everyone is greedy. It’s just rational maximization of profits. You do too. Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
I already have. I could make so much more money with my skillset doing incredibly antisocial things…I choose not to.
Example?
It’s just rational maximization of profits.
No, it really isn’t. It is rational to consider all upsides and downsides (profit just being one) of a decision and then weigh them according to your own personal priorities before trying to achieve an optimal result. This very rarely results in profits being the only priority.
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Don’t forget the MBAs. The original motherfuckers who ruin everything.
No, most people do not seek out competitor businesses (or even businesses in other sectors like in this case) so they can fire all the human workers in the hope of making more money.
Non-tax-deductable donations are a voluntary waiver of salary. Most people have ethics and a conscience, its just the greedy minority that fuck it up for the community-minded majority.
A huge portion of the Netherlands works part time by choice. So, yes, many people voluntarily waive parts of their salary.
I would if I could have healthcare, but US.
That profit comes from externalizing pain to others while capturing their livelihoods.
To call not doing that “voluntary waiving parts of your salary” is incredibly manipulative.
First these people aren’t salaried, they’re mercenaries, and of course their “compensation structure” ensures they’re largely free of the tax burden that the people they prey on have to endure.
Second, just because you can do sonething doesn’t mean it’s the rigth thing to do. Not that these people have had a moral belief once in their lives.
It is reallt aberrant all the evils that have been laundered in the name if money.
I think the better question is why do we allow these sick individuals to carelessly wield chainsaws around us?
would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Yes, I tend to vote for increased taxes to invest in education, environment, social welfare. And yes, that includes progressive taxes that hit me harder (as long as that also applies to the wealthy), and vice taxes that target my vices
In the meantime ask your boss for a lower salary so your company can make more profits.
Hopefully you can see the difference between working for someone else profit, vsinvestments in all of our well being and a more fair tax structure
So there is levels to greediness? You can call for higher taxes to have your conscience clear so you can be greedy elsewhere?
Everyone is greedy. Nobody wants less income if it affects their quality of life.
True, but there’s no reason that can’t coexist with a sense of fairness, and witha long term greater good
Of course I don’t want to pay more taxes. However I realize I’ve been more successful than some, and a more progressive tax scheme is fair. I realize I have vices and don’t mind if there is a discouragement, as long as it applies to everyone fairly. I realize my success is based on a successful society and understand it is only fair to leave society in at least as good condition as I found it. Most importantly I have kids so I’m all for building a better future for them …. And understand that includes the society they will live in, the environment they will live in
Every country needs a more fair tax structure. Sadly a lot of people don’t seem to get that here in NL (among other countries). Even the left doesn’t really want to fix it. since increasing social security for the lower class makes it so the middle class pay a lot more taxes percentage wise.
In the US we do that to some extent but not for the wealthy. Somehow we ended up with upper middle class paying the highest rate, then tax rates dropping as you get wealthy. It’s fair that I pay a higher rate than someone with less income, but very much not fair that I pay a higher tax rate than wealthy people
Is that actual rates? Or is the looking at different kind of taxes? I was talking about income tax + social security if you get it.
People with massive company structures can always pay less tax. Or at least less at this point in time. The only way to change rhis if every country works together to fix it
There is a difference between wanting to live comfortably, which is rational, and actively seeking ways to exploit others for your own gain beyond what you need to live. Greed isn’t “I want to have enough”, it’s “I can never have enough”.
Society has always thrived on a measure of generosity. So many cultures have customs around giving gifts, because that’s how you build a support network of people that will help you out when you need it. Greed is shortsighted and destructive.
Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Depends on the reason. If the waived amount goes to paying for healthcare, support someone suddenly unemployed or maintain infrastructure that I or other people need? Sure.
lol accounting….
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For usage like that you’d wire an LLM into a tool use workflow with whatever accounting software you have. The LLM would make queries to the rigid, non-hallucinating accounting system.
I still don’t think it would be anywhere close to a good idea because you’d need a lot of safeguards and also fuck your accounting and you’ll have some unpleasant meetings with the local equivalent of the IRS.
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But ERP is not a cool buzzword, hence it can fuck off we’re in 2025
The LLM would make queries to the rigid, non-hallucinating accounting system.
And then sometimes adds a halucination before returning an answer - particularly when it encournters anything it wasn’t trained on, like important moments when business leaders should be taking a closer look.
There’s not enough popcorn in the world for the shitshow that is coming.
You’re misunderstanding tool use, the LLM only queries something to be done then the actual system returns the result. You can also summarize the result or something but hallucinations in that workload are remarkably low (however without tuning they can drop important information from the response)
The place where it can hallucinate is generating steps for your natural language query, or the entry stage. That’s why you need to safeguard like your ass depends on it. (Which it does, if your boss is stupid enough)
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This is because auto regressive LLMs work on high level “Tokens”. There are LLM experiments which can access byte information, to correctly answer such questions.
Also, they don’t want to support you omegalul do you really think call centers are hired to give a fuck about you? this is intentional
I don’t think that’s the full explanation though, because there are examples of models that will correctly spell out the word first (ie, it knows the component letter tokens) and still miscount the letters after doing so.
No, this literally is the explanation. The model understands the concept of “Strawberry”, It can output from the model (and that itself is very complicated) in English as Strawberry, jn Persian as توت فرنگی and so on.
But the model does not understand how many Rs exist in Strawberry or how many ت exist in توت فرنگی
I’m talking about models printing out the component letters first not just printing out the full word. As in “S - T - R - A - W - B - E - R - R - Y” then getting the answer wrong. You’re absolutely right that it reads in words at a time encoded to vectors, but if it’s holding a relationship from that coding to the component spelling, which it seems it must be given it is outputting the letters individually, then something else is wrong. I’m not saying all models fail this way, and I’m sure many fail in exactly the way you describe, but I have seen this failure mode (which is what I was trying to describe) and in that case an alternate explanation would be necessary.
The model ISN’T outputing the letters individually, binary models (as I mentioned) do; not transformers.
The model output is more like Strawberry <S-T-R><A-W-B>
<S-T-R-A-W-B><E-R-R>
<S-T-R-A-W-B-E-R-R-Y>
Tokens can be a letter, part of a word, any single lexeme, any word, or even multiple words (“let be”)
Okay I did a shit job demonstrating the time axis. The model doesn’t know the underlying letters of the previous tokens and this processes is going forward in time
How easy will it be to fool the AI into getting the company in legal trouble? Oh well.
Some would call it effortless, even.
Hey boss. Think they’re using chatgpt for that?
The future is bright! /s
So bright we had to remove the lampshade!
I am so glad I got out of IT before AI hit. I don’t know how I would have handled customer calls asking why our chat is telling them their shit works when it doesn’t or to cover their computer in cooking oils or whatever.
And only after they banged their head against the AI for two hours and are already pissed will they reach someone. No thanks.
Thank god I can troubleshoot on my own.
When VC and PE call a company or industry “mature” it means they don’t see increasing revenue, only something to be sucked dry and sold for parts. To them, consistent revenue is worthless, it must be skyrocketing or nothing. If you want to see this in action right now, look what Broadcom is doing to VMWare. They also saw VMWare as a “mature company”.
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Broadcom management deserve gulag
Fuck Broadcom. We’re still dealing with that bullshit, as there aren’t a lot of viable alternatives at the enterprise scale.
If you thought your service was bad now, it’s gonna get worse.
Isn’t that what we call “Innovation” in our capitalist society?
You build a thing. Pour your blood sweat and tears into it. Some VC goon buys it during a downturn. They fire most of the staff. Strip the copper out of the walls. Make the service shittier and shittier until all that is left is its faltering brand recognition then sell it all for a bundle to the very next sucker they can?
Innovation is enshittification these days. It used to be invention, where entirely new products and materials came about. Then there was innovation, incremental improvement coupled with price hikes. Now “innovation” seems strictly rearranging deck chairs with worse service, and reducing employee count for increased profits.
In the 90s it was “selling it for parts” where the market value of the whole company was lower than the component parts, so buy it on the open market for a bargain, then slice and dice and profit.
These days, they’re squeezing the lemons for all they can get.
The “corporate raider” existed before that, infamously thanks to people like Frank Lorenzo dismantling Eastern Airlines in the ‘80s or Icahn to TWA. The late ‘70s and early ‘80s were rife with corporate raiders.
I am not mad about call centre jobs going away
You’ll be here complaining about how you can’t find a human with customer support
You will be if you call customet support and get an AI that can’t help.
Emails FTW!
I’m mad they existed in the first place
You’re mad that there’s someone for you to call at your utility company if there’s an issue with your bill or you need to move or cancel your service?
I’m mad that there used to be someone knowledgeable and empowered to help when you called your utility company, and they were outsourced to a call center where people generally can’t help and wouldn’t know how. Where they are tied to simple scripts and generally can’t answer anything else.
Call centers already are the enshittification of phone support. Voice menus is are the enshittification of call centers. Corps focus on ever cheaper without remembering there are customers trying to get help.
Will ai turn this trend around? It’s possible. Or is it just a cheaper way to make the experience yet worse while also getting rid of thousands of of low end jobs?
Can all you money-grubbing psychopaths just fuck off and stop ruining everything please?
Rich psychos: FUCK NO!
No human should work in a call center
Having worked in a call center (doing survey research) during college, there are a lot of people employed by such places who really wouldn’t have many employment options anywhere else.
I remember saying, while there, that the entire industry would be replaced by AI in 10-15 years. They all scoffed, saying they had ways to get people to answer surveys that an AI wouldn’t be able to do. I told them they were being naive.
Here we are.
That said, I do worry about some of those people. Just because they were borderline unemployable doesn’t mean they were worthless.
There was a lot of talk about that when the call centers were sprouting up: generally poor jobs, minimum wage, and liable to be outsourced or ai’d. They were generally put places where there were no real options so those towns are going to suffer when it all goes away
doesn’t mean they were worthless
Not what I said, on the contrary.
It’s a horrible mindnumbing job and anyone deserves better.
The avg of employment is 6 months.
Some don’t make their targets and get fired, most find a less shitty job.Oh don’t worry, I wasn’t accusing you of saying they were worthless. I was just voicing my own concern for some of my former coworkers.
I worked in one. It was just a job and not that bad.
Could be but it depends, inbound helpdesk is not the same as outbound selling stuff with targets to be made and clients to convince.
The answer is violence and guns
Wait, it’s all scams?!
I don’t think this is as dramatic as a lot of you are saying it is. It works or it doesn’t. This is what VC should do
Then you need to look into how private equity works.
They buy mature companies, often with borrowed capital, and then place the debt on the purchased company. They essentially make companies take on a massive loan to buy themselves from themselves, except the private equity firm ends up the owner.
The company then goes into overdrive trying to pay off the debt, while the firm makes changes intended to make the company “more efficient”. All while paying themselves “consulting fees” and “bonuses” for stepping in and “helping” the company do better.
This usually means mass layoffs, dumping assets, paycuts, restructuring…
Best case scenario, the company was already failing, and now it fails faster.
Worst case… The company was doing perfectly fine, making a sustainable living for its employees. And then it gets purchased by a private equity firm.
Suddenly everything is on fire. Not a single penny can go unpiched, workplace comfort unsacrificed, or employee unoverworked. And that that is the new norm, is the good ending.
Private equity makes money by killing the golden goose, and then finding another. And then another. And then another.
I don’t know much about private equity. So I appreciate the explanation. But that all just sounds like modern business to me. It’s a product of who we are and what we allow.
What do you mean “but”?
This doesn’t produce anything. It removes jobs instead of creating them. And by the end there is one less company in the system.
I wrote in response to you saying this is what they “should” be doing. That it would either work, or not.
But this is working sustainable businesses being butchered for their value on the meat market, rather than operated long term.
It most certainly isn’t what they “should” be doing.
If this is the best way to make money, the rich will continue to do it instead of starting new companies. That is not going to have pleasant long-term effects on the world.
Have you ever used a chatbot for technical support? It’s infuriating. Yet the industry is barreling in that direction before the tech is ready, customers be damned. This is not what VC should do.
Have you ever had to use an indifferent college student that barely speaks English for technical support
Sometimes the people who barely speak English are more technically competent than English speakers. Sometimes not. They are just people. But I’d rather work with a person
I wouldn’t
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So like >99% of other AI implementations?
Yes, that’s what everyone has been doing since it became a thing.
Enshittificatin intensifies
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God I cannot wait for this AI bubble to pop.
