There are worse, but yea, they’re fucking annoying
Anyone knows a good Android phone (brand) that works for daily usage and doesn’t spy on you?
And don’t recommend things like GrapheneOS and shit, they’re nice, but clearly not usable because you’re locked off too many apps, and end up still using Google
Android itself does plenty of data collection on its own; I’m not sure if the brand really makes much of a difference here, unfortunately.
I installed Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia phone a few years ago, and that worked well enough. I had a couple of Android apps that I needed to use for work, and Sailfish has some kind of Android environment built in that lets you run Android apps. I worked for me, but I didn’t try any payment apps or others that tend to be picky about what type of phone you’re using.
Can’t use mobile payment for one, then apps with integrity checks often block me. Might be highly related to the fact that I downloaded from Aurora instead of P Store, but yea I’m pretty sure some other are blocked as well.
I have a Google account in another country than the one I’m living in and a lot of apps are not accessible this way for example… might be my fault as well, I know
I heard bank apps are often an issue. I didn’t test it personally
My government 2FA can’t work on those OSs. Could get a physical device that shows the code, but that’s nowhere near as practical. Without that 2FA I can’t pay online, check mail from the government, login to my bank, move my adress, change my phone plan. Everything is set up through the 2FA, which is convenient as fuck, and super safe, but requires either Apple or Android.
Why would it be dystopian? Governments provide services and financial aids that also require security and safe authentication of ID. Actually, identity rights protection is the main thing governments provide.
“People shop for groceries online with government vouchers”. Doesn’t sound wild to me at all. It is the most basic possible social security program in the 21st century. There’s a difference between government way is the only way, and government offers a way for those who can’t otherwise access basic human need. 2FA and MFA is basic security, without any context it is not any more or less dystopian than a bank, a phone carrier or Google providing MFA.
Ah, I don’t game on my phone so I wouldn’t know about that, but all of my banking apps work and while I don’t normally use streaming services, I just downloaded and tested Netflix and Hulu and both loaded and took me to a login screen. I only actually logged in to Hulu because I don’t have a Netflix account, but I think it’s safe to assume it would’ve worked
Apple is such a piece of shit company.
There are worse, but yea, they’re fucking annoying
Anyone knows a good Android phone (brand) that works for daily usage and doesn’t spy on you?
And don’t recommend things like GrapheneOS and shit, they’re nice, but clearly not usable because you’re locked off too many apps, and end up still using Google
Android itself does plenty of data collection on its own; I’m not sure if the brand really makes much of a difference here, unfortunately.
I installed Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia phone a few years ago, and that worked well enough. I had a couple of Android apps that I needed to use for work, and Sailfish has some kind of Android environment built in that lets you run Android apps. I worked for me, but I didn’t try any payment apps or others that tend to be picky about what type of phone you’re using.
i don’t think you can have a phone that doesn’t spy on you without graphene, lineage or similar.
Yea so I’m pretty suck. The middle option I use is Apple. I don’t really trust them, but at this point it’s better than using Google services
tbf i don’t think apple is any better
To each their opinion.
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they do profit off it. its in their license agreement.
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i don’t think even google sells it outright.
they collect it, use it to train ai. not to mention how 3-letter agencies get it too.
selling it outright is a matter of time.
i also absolutely do not get why apple fanboys defend them so rabidly. its just a phone like any other.
I’ve been using GrapheneOS for a couple months and haven’t found any apps to be giving me trouble. What apps are locked off?
Can’t use mobile payment for one, then apps with integrity checks often block me. Might be highly related to the fact that I downloaded from Aurora instead of P Store, but yea I’m pretty sure some other are blocked as well.
I have a Google account in another country than the one I’m living in and a lot of apps are not accessible this way for example… might be my fault as well, I know
I heard bank apps are often an issue. I didn’t test it personally
My government 2FA can’t work on those OSs. Could get a physical device that shows the code, but that’s nowhere near as practical. Without that 2FA I can’t pay online, check mail from the government, login to my bank, move my adress, change my phone plan. Everything is set up through the 2FA, which is convenient as fuck, and super safe, but requires either Apple or Android.
Government 2FA? Sounds dystopian 👀
It’s a pretty good system, if it’s any interrest it’s in Denmark.
If you say so! I hope it’s not as bad as it sounds haha
Why would it be dystopian? Governments provide services and financial aids that also require security and safe authentication of ID. Actually, identity rights protection is the main thing governments provide.
Well, if it’s for something related to your government ID then okay, but you made it sound like you had to use their thing on a lot of services
Like requiring something provided by the government for paying online is wild
“People shop for groceries online with government vouchers”. Doesn’t sound wild to me at all. It is the most basic possible social security program in the 21st century. There’s a difference between government way is the only way, and government offers a way for those who can’t otherwise access basic human need. 2FA and MFA is basic security, without any context it is not any more or less dystopian than a bank, a phone carrier or Google providing MFA.
Does the app check for strongest variany of Safetynet / Play Integrity?
Banking apps, Netflix (and similar), Restaurant apps, certain online games.
That’s all I can think of, it be nice if I was corrected (Especially banking apps) since I wanted LineageOS.
A lot of banking apps do work on grapheneos.
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
What about LineageOS?
Should be similar because i guess the apps allow rooted phones.
I use e/os based on LineageOS and my banking apps are in that list
Ah, I don’t game on my phone so I wouldn’t know about that, but all of my banking apps work and while I don’t normally use streaming services, I just downloaded and tested Netflix and Hulu and both loaded and took me to a login screen. I only actually logged in to Hulu because I don’t have a Netflix account, but I think it’s safe to assume it would’ve worked
Sony Xperia… that’s all I can think of…