• ZeroOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    15 days ago

    I always kept telling Free-software & OpenSource projects to move to GitLab, Codeberg or SourceHut

    You cannot fight capitalists on a capitalists platform.

    & if you want something that’s even more independent try Fossil

    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      14 days ago

      By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:

      GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.

        • rarbg@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          14 days ago

          Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you’re suggesting is pretty cursed

    • boonhet@lemm.eeEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.

      Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?

      • ZeroOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it

        • gamer@lemm.eeEnglish
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          14 days ago

          That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)

          If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    15 days ago

    Nice!

    I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.

    Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        15 days ago

        What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?

        I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.

        • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          15 days ago

          Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.

          Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.

          GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.

          It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.

          • trevor (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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            14 days ago

            You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.

        • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          15 days ago

          I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.

          • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            14 days ago

            I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.

    • Ernest@lemm.eeEnglish
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      15 days ago

      I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t

    • Clearwater@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).

      As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.

      1. One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)

      2. Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.

      Bare Metal (Debian 12) /
├─ Rootless Podman/
   ├─ Forgejo
   ├─ Forgejo Runner
   ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/
      ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>

* If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.
      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        15 days ago
        1. that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
        2. that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
        Bare Metal
├─ Rootless Podman
   ├─ Forgejo
├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely)
   ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>

        I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).

        I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.

        • Clearwater@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          14 days ago

          I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.

          My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily for me to wipe clean the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.

          The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)

    • mesa@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.

      And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.

      • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        15 days ago

        GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Apparently, one of the contributors did a push while visiting Cuba and since Cuba in sanctioned by US they just blocked the entire repo. Insane.

    • Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Seemingly one of the contributors has visited a disputed region and logged into GitHub from there. By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal. But either Microsoft dragged it’s feet in communicating and resolving the issue or the organic maps team was not doing their part in the process. Doesn’t matter, the outcome is still worth it.

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        14 days ago

        By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal.

        not normal at all! don’t serve the website. that is normal. but ban anyone logging in seemingly from there, on sight? that’s literally “shoot first, ask later” in tech! totally abnormal, if this is the reason

      • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        14 days ago

        What are we, North Korea? We can’t accept information from certain countries? I can understand being wary of state-sponsored information terrorism, but “Hey, here’s a Cuban road? A good place for a guava and cheese pastry?”

        Come on. This was really the trigger?

  • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I’m looking forward to the time Forgejo starts supporting Forgefed

  • gamer@lemm.eeEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.

    Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?

          • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
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            14 days ago

            Person: *makes an app for everyone to use*

            Twitter baby: “Racial slurs! Racial slurs!”

                • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  14 days ago

                  Let me give you an analogy.

                  I was born in the People’s Republic of China. I immigrated to the United States of America when I was not even 10. I grew up in America, I grew attached to the principles of Freedom and Democracy. I went through the proper channels and I obtained Citizenship through the proper way. I am an American.

                  If someone were to tell me that I’m “not American”, and that because I was “born Chinese, I must be Chinese for the rest of my life”; or, in your phrasing: “A Chinese person cannot become American” you’d be a xenophobe.

                  Gender is a social contruct. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman wants to be a man, just let them. Its not denying that they have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what their biology says. But being a “Man” or “Woman” are labels society attributes to those chromosomes, just like the concept of Nationality.

                  TLDR: Please just let people be whoever they want to be. If you start attacking people’s identity, nobody is gonna wanna talk to you. If you want to spread transphobia, you can go to twitter. Enjoy your nazi bar.

      • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.

        Edit: They’ve gone self hosted. That makes more sense.

      • Ushmel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        14 days ago

        That’s weird. Russians and Americans aren’t sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.

  • Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    15 days ago

    I wish, but when I am looking gor a job the employer will look at the green squares and leetcode score or something stupid like that instead of my projects or having a discussion in general.

  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    15 days ago

    There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).

      • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        15 days ago

        Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.

        • eodur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          14 days ago

          Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            14 days ago

            Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?

            The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.

            Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.

            Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.

            Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.

            • Adiemus@lemm.eeEnglish
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              14 days ago

              But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.

              • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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                14 days ago

                As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.

                If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.

      If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.

      • Adiemus@lemm.eeEnglish
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        14 days ago

        But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.

    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Why would it get removed? Can’t have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won’t get removed on F-droid

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      I can forgive not knowing github is MS.

      but, how in the actual fuck did you not know VS Code is MS?

      do you just close your eyes and code blind all day long?

      • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
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        15 days ago

        Maybe they are just getting started with learning programming, be kind.

        • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          15 days ago

          Ding ding ding ding ding!

          Like, just BRAND NEW, leaning baby programmer!

          Nope, not that. Haven’t earned the name ‘programmer’ at all.

          Just a guy who is starting to learn and is probably going to abandon learning but is going to try anyway and is trying not to fuck up in the beginning! Guy.

          • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            15 days ago

            If you want to use VSCode without the Microsoft bits, they actually provide that officially. VSCodium is VSCode with all the Microsoft-specific bits stripped out (or rather, not added in in the first place, at compile time). It’s all open source too so you can either verify yourself or have a knowledgeable friend do an audit on your behalf.

            I use VSCode at work a lot and enjoy it quite a bit. A good alternative would be to use Kate/Kwrite with all of the coding plugins and the linter plugins turned on, the experience is pretty close to VSCode/ium without store extensions.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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            15 days ago

            Keep learning and asking questions! Maybe programming isn’t something for you or maybe it’ll be a big pay of your life. You’ll never know without giving it a try.

            Please don’t get discouraged by the curmudgeons. Not all of us experienced in the field have given into grouchiness.

    • Yaky@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Has been since 2018, and acquisition news caused quite an upset at the time.

    • nnullzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.

    • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.

      • robber@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        15 days ago

        I’ve been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.

        • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          14 days ago

          I actually think their comments when it first went open source are pretty compelling. I don’t disagree with you and I’m interested to see how zedless fares, but new projects of this scale are tough to do well and quickly. I’m pretty happy with their current approach.

      • Justin@lemmy.jlh.nameEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Zed is great! Not as many features as IntelliJ, but insanely fast, and new features are being added all the time.

    • ghost_towels@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      15 days ago

      I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.

    • merdaverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      15 days ago

      Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don’t look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that’s also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s

      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.

        This, but unironically.

      • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        15 days ago

        I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I’m seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as “second class citizens” for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.

      • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        14 days ago

        I’m retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?

        That’s particularly evil.

        • retro@infosec.pubEnglish
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          14 days ago

          They can support these languages because they have the resources to do so.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            14 days ago

            I feel like a good illustration would be a bicycle.

            1. My bicycle works fine, a little slow, but it beats walking, and requires little to no outside resources or upkeep.
            2. My neighbor, Joe Microsoft, slaps an 80cc motor on my bike. It’s a lot faster, and less work for me, and Joe keeps it full of gas and tuned up, and fixes it when it breaks.
            3. I need Joe now to support my biking. I no longer have the resources to do it at this level, but Joe does.

            Is that about right? Are we selling open source for speed and convenience?

        • merdaverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          14 days ago

          A cynical explanation would be using the EEE theory to explain all of this.

          A more nuanced one would be that corporations benefit from open source since it creates an easier pipeline to onboard engineers and they also benefit from the free labor that people put into the projects out of passion. Whether they want to kill OSS after embracing it is debatable, but they definitely want to have as much leverage on it as possible.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            14 days ago

            Bill Gates stated: “One thing we have got to change in our strategy – allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other people’s browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depend on proprietary IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destroy Windows.”

            That Wikipedia is a gold mine of evil.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            14 days ago

            I’m not trying to be like some HOLY MOUNTAIN that no unclean things can ever touch.

            I’m just trying to keep myself free. I’ll use people’s stuff. If that starts becoming bondage, I’m out

  • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
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    15 days ago

    As long as they are still publishing the apk to f-droid, as a user I hardly care where it’s hosted.