I’ve been digging into the rabbit hole for a few months. Been switching to Linux, FOSS everything I can, trying to go to smaller sites, the least dubious social media, VPN, trusted mail, etc etc
But lately I’ve been in a rough state mentally (I say lately but it’s always been with me) and having GPT guide me and being able to just dictate what I think helps me a lot on various levels, for various reasons.
But at this point, using ChatGPT with a mic, isn’t this basically cancelling every effort I’ve made? (using it in the first place anyway)
I’m weak and it helps me, should I just throw my efforts out of the window and just say I don’t care about privacy anymore and use whatever everyone uses? (on one hand, I’ve found alternatives for almost everything, so I could keep on using those, but also, again, if I keep on using GPT on a regular basis, this is probably the worst threat the future has to offer in termes of privacy, so…I’m lost)
If I may offer a suggestion:
OpenwebUI in a docker image, cloudflare tunnel set up to enable access outside the home, the cheapest domain name you can get.
You can selfhost your ChatGPT bot so you can keep your data to yourself!
You’ll need a decently powerful PC at home, nothing crazy, any decent gaming rig from the last 5 years should run it fine!
I understand where you’re coming from. I even went as far as to not using Bluetooth headphones anymore because of the radiation.I switched all my plastic utensils for wood and steel.I swapped out all my apps for foss apps.I was never really one to ever use AI for anything.I’ve kind of always enjoyed the hunt and the learning process when it came to figuring out foss applications. But it does feel super paranoid to always be worried about people watching you. When in reality, they aren’t watching you. They are using your data to make money. They don’t really care about who you are. So in short, I have started using Bluetooth headphones again, LOL.
The obsession with privacy can be taken to an extreme where it’s a negative for your mental health. You can sacrifice a little privacy for another important benefit. 100% privacy is either not possible or practical, so don’t let it stress you out. I’d be more concerned that AI might lead you down a wrong path, but you’re an adult, use your own judgement.
This. It’s all incremental to me. No I can’t be 100% free of big tech and surveillance, etc etc - but how much of my data has Google not gotten since I started paying for private email 5 years ago or so?
(Not much cause everyone else refuses to leave Gmail behind 😂 but all I can do is keep moving myself in that direction.)
I feel like the “getting into privacy” journey for a lot of people tends to look like a bell curve - you start off with a few apps and minor tweaks to protect you from the worst online privacy invasions, and then it gradually builds and builds until you become the sort of person that has all their cat pictures on an air-gapped encrypted server hidden in a cupboard somewhere while you use SearX to find the best mask that will confuse facial recognition cameras, and then after a while you break through and just go back to using a few apps and tweaks to protect from the worst of it again.
100% is not possible. Everything else is an illusion.
I get that, but the problem with this kind of AI is, I feel like I’m sacrificing a lot, not a little.
What’s wrong with https://lmstudio.ai/ or https://jan.ai/ for offline, private, FOSS use?
Don’t make a bigger deal out of it than it is. Nothing bad is going to happen.
Privacy issues aside, don’t allow yourself to become too comfortable with leaning on AI for so much. Aside from the obvious things like AI info being flat out wrong sometimes and hallucinations, it’s going to train you into some bad habit holes during a vulnerable time. Look at how quickly we reach to map software for travel. It causes us to get mentally lazy.
If you are focused on using it and worried about privacy, you can host your own model like someone else mentioned, but you need a pretty beefy computer for it, and you could potentially host a model on the cloud (I know that breaks privacy and self-hosting rules a bit), but that can get expensive.
I’m a programmer and I’ve had to discipline myself with how I use Copilot. I try to lean on it for troubleshooting code I’ve written, and for doing tedious tasks that I know how to do but want to save time on.
I am definitely leaning on AI quite a bit lately. I ask and check sources now and then tho.
Side thinking, but I’m ot sure how we’ll see this problem in the future, when/if AI is “guaranteed” to basically never get things wrong. It’s the same with GPS/Maps software, since you’re talking about it. I’ve always been way worse than average to situate myself in space (? sorry, bad english probably), and GPS helps me immensely, me and my anxiety (and even then, I still manage to get stressed and miss things sometimes lol), it’s basically right most of the time as far as I know. Now IA being “always right” (let’s simplify) would have other consequences entirely, since it touches way more aspects of what we do as humans.
Not sure what to think from here, but yes, I’m definitely checking sources for important things, and restraining myself to not type every request I’m looking for into a chatbot.
You don’t actually have to have a beefy computer to self host. I know with deepseek there’s a 1.5b model which is optimized for low end hardware. I self hosted it on a desktop from 2012 and it worked alright. 8gb RAM, i5 processer, quad core. Was the GPU usage high? Yep. Still worked tho.
Oh wow, that’s awesome. I’m gonna have to try that model out. I have an old XFX 7950 I can try burning out lmao.
Obligatory: you’re not running deepseek 1.5B. You’re running some other distilled model which was finetuned by the deepseek folks
Wait, what? How does that work?
Deepseek 1.5B doesn’t exist. I don’t know why the Deepseek team named the models on Huggingface like this, but what is labelled as “Deepseek 1.5B” is actually not the OG Deepseek 70B model distilled to 1.5B, it’s a different model either trained or finetuned by the Deepseek team. My theory is some sort of intentional manipulation on their part so people stay confused on whether they are actually running the Deepseek model or not. There is a lot of commentary on this online, sorry I don’t have the links from the top of my head.
Do not use AI for Therapy. Just don’t do it. Don’t. Idk how much more clear I can be. That shit is NOT private. Please do not do this.
It was not for therapy, be reassured. See my post answer to Telorand @reddthat.com
First off, I can’t personally cast any stones: I sometimes use chatGPT so summarize a text or help me debug a code. I resisted the idea at first, but many of the other students of my promotion recommended it. Almost any time I asked someone for help, they either told me to use chatGPT or themselves prompted it my question. I try to do without it as much as I can, and I never prompt a queston without having spent several minutes looking for an answer online written by a human, but I have difficulties in several subjects and I’ve already failed my first semester, so it’s not easy to scorn a possible source of help when all else fails… I’ve installed locally a light weight version of Deepseek on my computer to get some of the benefits with a smaller climate footprint and staying in the Open Source side of the force, but so far I haven’t found it satisfactory, perhaps I’ll try a heavier version of the model.
But now, it seems you’re using it for something way different. You say it dictates what you think, do you have difficulty parsing your own thoughts? I don’t think you should feel guilty for it, if you need the help, but I do feel somewhat concerned. Large Language Models only learn and repeat patterns, I don’t think it’s a good tool for introspection, because it’s giving you more generic thoughts and only making it seem personal. It is common for people who enjoy reading to find it the text things they’ve thought themself without being able to word it and to feel a connection with the author. But in this case, you still know these words are from someone else’s mind. You see where the connection starts and where it ends. I think reading helps being good at putting one’s thoughts in words, and is healthier than using an llm for it. You should probably also write, even if you keep it for yourself. That way, you’ll be certain that these thoughts are your own.
You say it dictates what you think, do you have difficulty parsing your own thoughts?
Kind of Supposedly ADHD, anxiety, and other things Dictate via microphone helps in many ways for me
I don’t think it’s a good tool for introspection
I don’t really use it for introspection, always for information
Good thinking, thanks, I do still read tho, no worries (might not seem like it in my writing, english is not my first language). I’ve never been a writer, I’m usually into forms of expression that are more direct to me, like drawing and music
Large Language Models only learn and repeat patterns, I don’t think it’s a good tool for introspection, because it’s giving you more generic thoughts and only making it seem personal.
Worse, it’s doing that lazily. People think that just because it has a gigantic database of information that it’s able to parse all that information and put together summaries of that sum total of information, but what it does in reality is find the first solution it can cobble together from anonymous internet sources and present that as an “answer.”
Asking a generic code question about data structures is less likely to produce bad answers, since there’s little disagreement in how to implement them. They’re close to brute facts, and a wrong answer is rarely catastrophic. Asking it about psychology or philosophy, however, is prone to terrible answers, not just because there’s vast disagreement in those fields, but there’s also a lot of personal consideration when it comes to applying the information to individuals.
You could check out localllama on lemmy to run foss ai models locally, or you could check out duck.ai as someone else mentioned. Your mental health should come first so do what you can for privacy but don’t feel bad about making compromises.
Yes, you can use an locally hosted LLM, but these never can be so powerfull as an AI with a lot of servers supporting. We have to difference it, between mere Chatbots, relying on its own database, often outdated and with the tendece to invent answers, and AI supported search engines, like Andi, You, DDG AI and others, which retrieve informations in realtime from the Web. But there is important that these are capable to difference trustworth sources from those which are not. Andi does a very good job here, because compare informations from several sites for the answer.
Ollama can pull info from the web using multiple sites, but yes local AIs are more prone to hallucination. Google did release Gemma3 which has a 27B model which is probably the most cost effective way to get into local models that rival chatgpt (if you can call about 2k cost effective). That was why I recommended duck.ai as well, as it has access to gpt and llama3.3:70b which will do a lot better.
Spend $500, buy a beefy used GPU and run Whisper + Mistral small. It’ll be a bit slow but now you can maintain your privacy on your own hardware! Best of both worlds.
Look for GPUs with more memory. My choice is the AMD 7900 XTX with 24Gb.
Yeah unfortunately ROCM is shit last I heard
Why?
Use Andisearch, there are zero privacy concerns and it’s apart the most accurate (independent Benchmark)
Privacy is not all or nothing, and using one thing doesn’t cancel all efforts somewhere else.
Don’t go so far into the privacy hole that it affects your mental health. Just do what’s easy for you.
In the end you’re right, but as I was answering in another post, AI seems so big for the future and potentially invasive, that if I start giving this up, not having a google account or whatever, to me, would seem like nothing in comparison, if I’m trying to maintain a relative degree of privacy. So I feel like it’s not giving up a bit of my infos, but probably all of it, specially when using an app. Not sure if I’m making sense. But it’s like “ok, I won’t give this man my info”. “This other man, on the other hand, can live in my house and listen to everything”
You could always try out an AI service that doesn’t collect data like duck.ai: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/duckai/
But lately I’ve been in a rough state mentally (I say lately but it’s always been with me) and having GPT guide me and being able to just dictate what I think helps me a lot on various levels, for various reasons.
You should consider journaling and/or a support group and/or professional help. You say it’s always been with you, and relying on an LLM to help you parse your thoughts is only going to lead to bad places. It does not have the knowledge or skill of a psychologist, even with its vast database. It doesn’t “know” the correct way to apply psychological concepts or know when you’re engaging in destructive behavior, and it could even reinforce those same behaviors. AI can feel like a friend to talk to, but it’s an illusion.
But at this point, using ChatGPT with a mic, isn’t this basically cancelling every effort I’ve made? (using it in the first place anyway)
If you’re telling it your deepest secrets and current problems, yes. You’re putting your personal information out there for a profit-driven company to use at their discretion. Several people have suggested self-hosting, and I would agree, but ultimately I think you need to seek human help for the root cause of why you’re leaning so heavily upon AI.
Those seem like good advice, but when I was saying dictate, I was just talking about sending my requests to the chatbot app via microphone, not writing. I tend to be super adhd-y, forget things, be overwhelmed, get into sideway things, and having a quick way to ask this or that, while thinking out loud, is kinda what helps me. But yes, in a way, some sort of journaling, trying to focus and slowing down would help me.
“I’m weak and it helps me” Put down the Internet and touch some grass dude. You ain’t weak, stop taking in that cuck incel bullshit. Talking about your shit helps so much that people literally charge money to listen to you. Don’t let the manlets shame you into not seeking the help you need.
Who cares about using or not using AI dude? The people having those discussions are privileged assholes that have nothing better to talk about. If it helps you be happier, use it. You can pay it forward later.
Use the tools you need to take care of yourself and don’t form your opinions of yourself based on the bots that populate social media.
What you do in your own time with publicly available tools is your business, fuck the people who don’t like it.
JFC
Can you maybe not erase how this person feels? Even if you believe they were missguided to the feel this way, that is a terrible message of hostility.
How about you have some compassion for someone who was made to feel like that??
Put yourself in their shoes, if they already feel bad you legally then and shitting all over them I’m the most boorish and toxic way possibly is not helpful
Sure. The incel pipeline is not my business tbh.
Sounds like you might be sacrificing your mental wellbeing for some privacy gains. You should probably consider your priorities. Which one comes first?
If you say it like that…I should certainly try and remember the priorities in some situations
You see, the point is that privacy is really nice to have. However, it’s not worth it when the price you pay is your mental balance and serenity. There are easier and cheaper bits of privacy you can pursue, but you need to know where to draw the line. Some things just come with an unacceptable price. Maybe GPT is like that in your case.
Chill out my friend. We use FOSS and privacy respecting things to make our lives easier and more enjoyable . Don’t stress yourself. If you need to do something then do it. No need to feel bad.
Something is always better than nothing. You’ve done so much in terms of better privacy and using FOSS so you’re doing great and better than most people. Just live your life and improve things step by step.
Thanks In a way I did still change a lot of habits. This on the other does feel like giving up a huge fight and making my brain think that I actually don’t care about privacy/Foss at all, I’m usually not a “all or nothing” type of person, but it’s a bit hard to wrap my head around this time
Dude, it’s all good. I doubt anyone has entirely removed intrusion from their lives. I’ve been the nut in my family, friends and work environments (not complaining, I actually love being that person) on privacy and cybersecurity. I still keep my Gmail account, the one I used to buy all my movies when I thought Google wasn’t evil. My kids love using the Lenovo Google Assistant screens. I have 2 Chromecast with Google TV with the account I mentioned (my TVs do not connect to the internet). I play on my PS5 with my account and use my credit card (none of that temp credit card or cash or crypto), but I haven’t used my PayPal in years (but still have it). I buy shit on Amazon (it’s so convenient).
The point being, do what you can to safeguard your privacy as much as possible, as long as it does not affect your mental health. You need Facebook for whatever reason? You can minimize the invasion, and still use it. (Full disclosure, I fucking hate Meta, so I don’t use any of its platforms, or even their open source language model). I’m on GrapheneOS in my phone, use Linux exclusively in my personal life, but I’m picking up a surface pro 11th Gen for work this Friday. I need my job, everything is windows based, and it’s just getting harder to use Ms shit from Linux effectively. So, I use Windows. I have a good job, get paid well, so, I have to decide if that’s worth some of my privacy.
Live life man, enjoy, be happy, then worry about the rest.
Go set up an ollama instance and melt your worries away. Data in your hands once again.
However, you should also learn some restraint. Privacy and security aren’t an all or nothing battle. Everyone has some holes in their armor, they need them to breathe.
most security planning workshops start with this statement:
“it is unreasonable as well as impossible to try and protect against every threat out there. there is no magic app, website, service that will solve everything. security is a mindset, and taking the time to understand what you want to protect and why will serve you better than any application.”
that’s a nice way to view it
