Have you ever heard of the term federation-washing?

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    People didn’t go to Bluesky because of an informed choice based on features or security. People went to Bluesky because that’s where everyone they want to follow went.

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      Bluesky isn’t Twitter. That’s all that mattered to most people. A few influential people went there first and the network effect kicked in.

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      Hell I wouldn’t even say that… they don’t understand it, they don’t care to understand it, they don’t know or care what federated means. They went there because, it’s not currently nazified twitter.

      I get that it’s “technically” federated… but practically it’s for all practical purposes just a proprietary program, run by a group that isn’t currently horrific. Unfortunately everything I see in it says, it’s every bit as vulnerable, and it can be good for as long as the owners care about not becoming a nazi propoganda machine. Actual recourse from it going evil… is non existant.

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      But Bluesky does have a lot better features when it comes to actually effectively using the platform. Getting set up on Bluesky is orders of magnitude easier than Mastodon, and I do think that’s a big part of why it’s become the preferred destination recently. Mastodon had a real shot early on but didn’t make it easy enough for people.

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        14 hours ago

        I’m probably an idiot, but my experience was exactly the opposite. I don’t really feel like following specific users (at least for now), I just want to follow hashtags. Super easy to do on Mastodon, but I couldn’t figure it out on Bluesky.

        I never used Twitter, and am not particularly excited about the general format, so I’m probably not the target user, but I check Mastodon occasionally, and gave up on Bluesky after like 2 days.

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          I just want to follow hashtags. Super easy to do on Mastodon, but I couldn’t figure it out on Bluesky.

          BSky is just a little different, and I would argue superior, in the way discovery works. Instead of searching for hashtags for a subject (which can easily be abused) you search for feeds of the subject, which are far more useful. Then if you want, you can combine multiple feeds.

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            3 hours ago

            Another commenter shared a link with a guide to create a custom feed, and I definitely see how that can be better. As a new user, I was having too much trouble finding an easy way to create my own custom feed, and wasn’t happy with any of the existing feeds that I looked at… they all seemed to include more “junk” than the equivalent hashtags on Mastodon. I agree that simply following hashtags has downsides, but the logic as to why a specific post shows up in my feed is much more obvious in that case, allowing me to more easily troubleshoot and adjust my follow/block settings.

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          14 hours ago

          On Bluesky you follow starter packs which are collections of users which go to your main feed. https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all

          Or you follow feeds which are set up by users to track certain topics. These can be very highly customized follows of people, hashtags, keywords, crowd tagged topics, including blocks of certain stuff. These are like subreddits or Lemmy communities. https://blueskydirectory.com/feeds/all

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            13 hours ago

            Yeah, I saw those and appreciate the idea, but I didn’t like them, at least not yet. I just want to follow a few cat related tags, maybe some FOSS stuff, and some tags relevant to my local area. I just clicked through a few feeds related to each of those, but didn’t like any of the ones that came up. Each feed contains posts that seem totally irrelevant and I don’t understand why they’re inclined or how to tweak my feed to remove them.

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                Thanks! I was looking for a way to build my own feed, but this is the first guide I’ve seen that seems relatively simple to follow. I agree that there’s downsides to simply following hashtags, but I’m familiar with ways to curate my feed based on hashtags, and just wanted to start with something familiar. The curated feeds are probably great for a lot of people, but just really frustrated me, as the feeds I happened to browse seemed to somehow include more “junk” than what I’ve encountered with the equivalent hashtags on Mastodon.

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        1 day ago

        Getting set up on Bluesky is orders of magnitude easier than Mastodon,

        I’m so tired of hearing this. Just click the mastodon.social button in the app and it’s not any different.

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          Not setting up an account, that’s roughly the same. Adding contacts by topic, blocking topics and people with bad agendas en masse, etc. I started my Mastodon account almost a year before Bluesky. In Bluesky I had something useful in a week. In Mastodon I still don’t (and it’s not for lack of effort).

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          20 hours ago

          I’ve been on Mastodon for two years now. I’m active and all.

          And yet, to this date, I still can’t find a single person in my working field, who are located within the province of Quebec.

          Bluesky? Found and added over a hundred, in mere days.

          • Ulrich@feddit.org
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            20 hours ago

            Yeah I mean you’re making my point here. More marketshare = more leverage over users.

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              I don’t think I do… what I explained was, Mastodon is too difficult not because of the interface, it’s because it’s too decentralized, to the point of everyone getting lost in the forest, and no one can find each other within the networks.

              As for Bluesky, while it’s not the best or safest alternative, is way more convenient for networking—the raison d’être of a social network.

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                19 hours ago

                No one is arguing about that. None of that matters when BlueSky turns into the next Xitter. Your social network is irrelevant when you can’t even find those people in a feed full of ads for weight loss supplements and unchecked disinformation.

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                  19 hours ago

                  I know that. And I do believe Mastodon is superior tech-wise, safer and better.

                  But, at this moment, the people I look to reach are on Bluesky, none are on Mastodon.

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          23 hours ago

          Wouldn’t that mean everyone is centralized on the same instance? I don’t use Mastodon so I don’t know if it’s the same as here…

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            23 hours ago

            Not everyone. Just those users who don’t care enough to be picky. I wish they would rotate the instances but this is better than nothing.

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              22 hours ago

              Sorry what do you mean? I see users posting from other instances in my mastodon app (I haven’t used it much).

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                21 hours ago

                Sorry, what do you mean?

                I see users posting from other instances in my mastodon app

                Which would indicate that

                everyone is centralized on the same instance?

                is incorrect.

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                  21 hours ago

                  Idk this whole thread confuses me. I’m on est.social instance, I’m gonna assume I see everyone who hasnt excluded my instance and vice versa…

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        1 day ago

        You can convenience or security, never both. Unfortunately bluesky’s compromises towards convenience hurt it’s security measures against enshittification

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          For me it’s the difference between something that’s usable for its purpose and something that’s not. As much as I wanted to use Mastodon and tried, it just never got off the ground. If Mastodon introduced starter packs, subscribable block lists, topic tagging and blocks, etc. I would use it in the same way I do Bluesky. But it hasn’t done that so I don’t.

        • Ulrich@feddit.org
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          21 hours ago

          You can convenience or security, never both.

          Generally, yes. Strictly, no.