You don’t have to “sign up”. You can just scroll down a bit to the “Find A Protest Now” button, or click the direct link I provided above.
You don’t have to “sign up”. You can just scroll down a bit to the “Find A Protest Now” button, or click the direct link I provided above.
Take down tesla why exactly? How exactly does that help?
Musk borrows against Tesla all the time. Billionaires don’t generally have a ton of liquid cash, they need to take out loans and put up collateral.
He’s also desperate now that Tesla is losing massive amount of its value too
Yup. If Tesla goes down, he won’t be able to take out loans as easily anymore and might need to sell assets for liquid cash.
Lets assume you managed to somehow bankrupt tesla. You effectively managed to stop one billionaire from using one of his many companies as a fast ATM. This does not solve the problem (billionaires affecting your governing system) in my perspective but merely mitigates a temporary symptom.
At the very least, it has to slightly annoy him. But likely also has a psychological effect. Will it make him suddenly decide not to be an asshole? Probably not. But it may spin him further out of control, to where he starts making even stupider decisions until he finally fucks with the wrong people or the wrong stuff and then really finds out.
It’s better than doing nothing. It can reduce his influence as he won’t have as much wealth available to buy politicians.
Whats your plan? Sit and complain that people are desperate on Lemmy? How does that help?
I’ve already made my suggestions. I am not complaining either instead poiting out that this makes no significant difference in the grand scheme of things. I know because something similar has been trialed across Eastern Europe a while now with minescule results.
At best you’ll take one and two more will pop taking their place. I would really like to have a civilised discussion but so far most are triggered just because I raised a rhetorical question.
The problem is we are all choosing to do things with our time that aren’t perfectly efficient. These comments aren’t going to change anything, yet we’re still making them. Actions being perfect is not the goal. Actions that get people motivated is.
I wouldn’t usually go and tell you that you’re not doing anything useful by commenting, but since that’s what you’re doing I think it’s important. Either stop dismissing people taking these actions or recognize that you’re wasting your time too. Stop implying that they should stop. They’re doing far more than you or I are right now.
I did not at any point imply nor directly say they should give up. Instead I suggested a route that takes care of the root cause itself rather than dealing with one of the symptomps.
You are correct in saying that I am wasting my time sharing my perspective of a solution with someone who is not open to a different opinion. I plead guilty.
No, I meant you’re wasting your time posting on Lemmy in general. We aren’t going to accomplish anything posting on here. Just as we’re wasting our time, they may be also. They’re doing a lot more than we are.
Clearly you have better ideas of what we can do. That’s awesome! Get out there and start organizing people to implement your superior plan! 💪
I had a genuine question as to how that did actually fix the issue and all the replies are referring about tangentially mitigating a symotom.
You’re still not talking about your better idea. We’re all ears. Don’t hold back. What do you think we should do instead?
Step 1 : Make lobbying illegal. This you can achieve by form of petition to present the bill. Regular peaceful protests would put pressure on the approval body to pass it.
Step 2 : Introduce/Reintroduce and put power to referendums. Without a valid route to voice your vote it’s all in the wind. Methods to achieve the stand the same as before.
Step 3 : Choose your elected from your own and change your election system to a preferential one rather than a binary. This would be much easier once the first two are complete.
I am no billionaire nor a lower to present you any other assistance. I was not going to buy a tesla anyway because as an engineer they don’t make much logical sense to me.
Have I done this for my own country? Not yet. Why? Because my own are too busy listening to propaganda to see the glaring problems.
Ah yes! Get idea! Just completely change the system! Why didn’t WE think of that!
Good show! I’ll call everyone today and tell them that these protests are completely stupid and we have a better idea now
I fail to understand why exactly are you so charged about this. I am not the one who put Musk in charge.
You want something but are not prepared to do the legwork for it and resent anyone who has a different opinion that what suits you.
These are not things individuals can do this weekend. These all require the actions of the politicians that are owned by the billionaires that don’t want these changes. What are your great ideas that individual citizens can implement right now?
A petition can begin this very weekend for one.
His other companies aren’t valued as highly.
The only one that seems to make money is SpaceX, and that one isn’t public so we don’t actually know if it makes money or it’s as shitty as all his other companies.
Without Tesla he’ll have real trouble getting loans… or Trump will give him a bailout, obviously, but it would still be useful if more people saw that he’s not self-made and relies on free money from the government.
You really missed my point by a long shot didn’t you?
You’re awfully combative for someone “just asking a question”.
You’re right I might have carried some of the charge from the other user towards this one unfairly. Sometimes I should just allow people to live in their happy delusional solutions.
Frankly sooner or later they had this coming so here’s one more piece for them to downvote if it makes them feel better.
Maybe you missed mine.
Musk is the First Buddy and the “richest” man on Earth. Trump basically has him running the government with his doggy department.
If Tesla goes down, he might go down with it. Trump would drop him in an instant - “sorry honey, you’re no longer HOT!” That doesn’t abolish all billionaires, obviously, but it solves an acutely troublesome one.
Godspeed to you my friend!
Tesla is sort of a public-facing proxy for Musk’s wealth, and is becoming a lightning rod.
It’s not so much about practicality, but desperation and an opportunity to send a message.
Elongated Muskrat is currently sabotaging democracy. This is one of the few ways we can deliver consequences for his actions.
Isn’t boycotting Tesla illegal?
You mean Tesler?
LOL, wut? Where on earth did you get that idea? It’ll be illegal if the fascists get their way and take over, but we’re not there yet. This is one way we can help to stop that from happening.
Haha so rather than check out what your president says you just flame whoever informs you. Thanks for this 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
There was nothing about your comment indicating it was something Trump said. He says a thousand dumbass things every day. Nobody can keep track of it all. You shouldn’t expect everyone to have had all the same experiences you’ve had. A comment like that really requires a /s to signal that you’re not being serious.
It’s genuinely not my problem if you aren’t able to discern reality from sarcasm. Take personal responsibility for your own mistakes. Telling other people off because you made a mistake just makes you look silly. I hope the rest of your day is as pleasant as you are.
See, that doesn’t need a /s. Sometimes sarcasm is obvious in written form. Sometimes it’s not.
It’s something trump said.
Ah ha. Thanks. That definitely needed a /s in this context.
I would assume that changing the law is the course of action to prevent unauthorized access to critical systems.
You have a legalised form of corruption that has been crippling your justice systems for a while now that must be your primary concern.
You are thinking far to linearly. Think of this as a guerilla tactics to take advantage of media focus and what would happen if Musk crashed out.
Lets assume you managed to somehow bankrupt tesla. You effectively managed to stop one billionaire from using one of his many companies as a fast ATM. This does not solve the problem (billionaires affecting your governing system) in my perspective but merely mitigates a temporary symptom.
We obviously know it’s broken. The far right has control of every branch of the government, tell us how new laws are passed when there are no checks and balances?
And yes, before its stated, i know a lot of blame is on the left who didn’t codify shit when they had the chance, that’s the past, that doesn’t help us now.
Clearly you have better ideas of what we can do. That’s awesome! Get out there and start organizing people to implement your superior plan! 💪
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
Not all of us have the means to overthrow a government. We do have the means to make buying a Tesla as embarrassing and as difficult as possible.
If you want to help find a government overthrow, I suggest that you work with the embassy for your country in the US to help make that change.
My own country is even more rotten than yours but I will not keep attacking the symptoms instead of fighting the virus!
I would be delusional otherwise!
Feel free to organize your own superior plan. I look forward to contributing to whatever effective measures you have in mind.