The terms were just introduced on Wednesday.

AI Summary:

Overview:

  • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
  • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
  • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
  • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
  • Company explains they don’t make blanket claims of “never selling data” due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
  • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 hours ago

    People hate whenever Brave is mentioned… But when it comes to privacy, I have not regretted my decision to use it

    • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 hours ago

      I mean if you are already ok with using a Chrome reskin from a crypto ad company your standards are already set too low.

      People who use Firefox are concerned that Forefox is slowly shifting into what Brave is now. Aka an ad company.

      I swear to god Brave browser is a cult. People who are into it a really into pushing it. No, I don’t want your crypto-bro, ad company run, chrome reskin.

    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      We saw it with reddit and that place is fucked now. Seems no one can be content with their status, they all need more.

  • Sturgist@lemmy.caEnglish
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    13 hours ago

    Anyone have a decent Android alternative? Updated my phone last night and this morning got a notification that Firefox had full permissions for accessing my location data. I’d like to move away from Firefox before enshitification is in full swing.

    • flux@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      6 hours ago

      Did you give it to it?

      It can be a pretty nice feature for using map-based apps in the browser.

      I haven’t used such websites for a while and I don’t see Firefox in the recent users of the location API, even though I use Firefox Android all the time. (Info available in Android under Settings/Location.)

  • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
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    14 hours ago

    Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable

    How hard is it to be specific? People are concerned about this, can they not tell us the exact data they share and with whom, or is doing so going to make people more concerned so they are avoiding telling us?

    • CandleTiger@programming.devEnglish
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      14 hours ago

      They can’t be specific in the legal note because that would close their options and prevent them from auctioning off every month to the new highest bidder.

      They certainly could keep a page of what they’re currently selling to whom, but even if it was innocuous (doubtful) that would again put them in the news every time they changed it.

      Tried and true legal strategy: say nothing and hope the attention goes away

    • verdigris@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      19 hours ago

      The terms were never actually bad. This is them responding to the backlash, yes, but that’s just because everyone freaked out over nothing. They’re not “rolling back” anything, and this comment is just more disinformation.

  • kilonova@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 day ago

    What’s the alternative for Android? Fuck Chrome I want to move off this shit onto something that actually gives half a shit about me.

      • Don_alForno@feddit.orgEnglish
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        12 hours ago

        The browser manufacturer doesn’t need a license to my inputs to process them and give them to the server it’s supposed to give them to. If you type a text in Libre office, does it ask you for a license to the text in order to save it?

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Certain features certainly could be considered as doing that, such as:

      • Firefox sync
      • crash reporting
      • add-on store

      I certainly want those. And then there are others that I don’t want:

      • Pocket
      • telemetry
      • studies
      • AI

      My understanding is that this change is primarily motivated by a recent/upcoming law change in California that has a pretty broad definition of “selling user data” and this is less likely to be a fundamental change in how Mozilla operates. However, let’s see what they come back with.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 hours ago

        That second list should also include

        • Ads

        Because ads in the search bar results are one of the things Mozilla cited as precipitating the need for ToS.

  • killeronthecorner@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 day ago

    Too late, I switched to Floorp.

    Because of privacy stuff? No. Because of repeated drama? Yes.

    I don’t have time for this stuff. I don’t have time to track every minute twist of the knife that Google’s funding drives Mozilla to embark on.

    I’m bored of using software and watching it go through “death by a thousand minor dramas”

    So now I use a web browser that has a name so stupid I don’t even recommend it to other people. Brilliant.

    • Gunpachi@lemmings.worldEnglish
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      12 hours ago

      Try zen browser. It’s just like floorp but has that Arc browser aesthetic.

      I was a floorp user until I tried zen browser. You should give it a try too.

    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 day ago

      The drama isn’t exactly their fault. There are a lot of rich organizations that want them to cease to exist. Most 9f which want track you online and/or shove ads down your throat.

      • dnzm@feddit.nlEnglish
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        1 day ago

        A fair amount of drama is exactly their fault. Mozilla chose to increase management pay and fire people, Mozilla chose to flirt with ai, Mozilla bought an ad firm, and so on. It’s not like someone was holding a knife to their throat.

    • twoface@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Even if the name sounds stupid, you should still recommend it to other people :D

      Have been doing so for a few months and haven’t had any negative feedback.

    • Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Floorp is a new Firefox based browser from Japan with excellent privacy & flexibility.

      💀

    • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Floorp isn’t recommended for its privacy features anyway, it’s recommended by users for the amount of customization you can do. It’s got some features that Firefox has that I don’t want to do without.

  • zecg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 days ago

    I didn’t sell your shit, I collected it and shared it to keep myself comercially viable.

  • Jocker@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 days ago

    Mozilla is soo stupid!

    Most Firefox users use it only because of the values it upholds, and now they decided to destroy it. MF wouldn’t even have any any revenue once they betray their little existing users!

    If they’re throwing away their values, then there is no reason to use Firefox anymore, BECAUSE OBJECTIVELY FIREFOX IS INFERIOR TO CHROMIUM.

    And hopefully this accelerates development and support to fully alternate browsers.

    • verdigris@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      18 hours ago

      You’re not totally wrong here, but the fact is that these updates are a complete non-issue that has only resulted in so much backlash because of the self-selected Firefox audience of people who know enough about tech and privacy to care, but not enough to understand what’s actually threatening. The updates were a minor change in language that didn’t change the status quo, but idiots like the guy who thinks that incognito mode somehow stops a site from gathering information on you flock to these articles and start crying doomsday.

      Mozilla is the only big web company that’s even close to on the side of consumers and it’s sad to see them eat shit for no reason.