Hello. I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance’s newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.
For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as “Triagonal” and various other aliases. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn’t have access to my main account.
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Their modus operandi is this:
- They’ll do/say reprehensible things.
- When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it “slander”. When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying “you’re taking it out of context” “you cannot speak for my intentions” , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they’ve used for years. Don’t fall for it.
- They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don’t look into the links that got posted.
There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying “where did I say anything about a shooter”. Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they’ve said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn’t on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.
Here’s a screenshot of them telling a trans person to “do what the person in Nashville did”. They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word
Here’s the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.
There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links “slander” and saying “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions”.
Here’s them trolling about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions!”.
They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is “being targeted for no reason” hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they’re being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they’re doing to be banned, not because they’re actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.
They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for “trolling”
Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316
Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being “inspired” by those usernames, omitting the fact they’ve 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They’ll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they’re impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that’s named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are “denying DID exists”.
They report any posts that aren’t on their side, claiming they’re being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?
edit: They’re now in this thread saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link
edit 2: gaslighting + sealioning in the comments https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12630325
Anyone can use the search bar to look up people who have said the same things, yet those people haven’t been banned. So that casts doubt on you.
ya’ll need to just fess up and do naked things together to resolve this tension, because it’s all seeming a bit unhinged
Right!? This is the most insane, unhinged thing I have read on Lemmy to date. OP spent many hours collecting a dossier to try to ban a user because they had a disagreement about the angle of Elon Musk’s hand gestures. This confirms my theory that 90% of Lemmy is cripplingly autistic.
So much of what I’ve seen makes me wonder too.
That’s gross
@orangeNgreen@lemmy.world @neidu3@sh.itjust.works @BoozeOrWater@lemm.ee @lwadmin@lemmy.world @Rooki@lemmy.world @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world @TragicNotCute@lemmy.world @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com @asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev @_MoveSwiftly@lemmy.world @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world @DriftingDeep@lemmy.world @Decoy321@lemmy.world @admin@lemmy.ca @admin@admin@beehaw.org @admin@admin@sh.itjust.works @admin@admin@feddit.org
Hello mods and admins sorry to bother you but Call Me Lenny/Leni / shinigamiookamiryuu is a next-level transphobic troll with a disturbing history both on Lemmy and off-site. Leni lies that it’s slander (then will try to gaslight people once this fails) but there’s link proof of Leni, who is an adult, grooming a minor (see below), excusing Elon Musk’s Nazi salute here on Lemmy, telling a trans person to kill himself on Discord (while pretending to be an ally in public), doxing people, harassing people and much more, including impersonating people.
Call Me Lenny/Leni is a mod of Casualconversation on lemm.ee and is also a mod of AskLemmy on lemmy.world. Seems like Leni is very manipulative and twists things to pretend to be a victim, and there’s evidence of Leni using sealioning/gaslighting tactics in this thread. Leni was also featured on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards and seems to be abusing mod powers:
https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/36342936
Leni also has a sockpuppet account that is also a mod of those communities https://lemm.ee/u/KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world
Leni said this is an account of theirs here: https://lemm.ee/post/21587707/8543171
Here’s Leni telling a trans man to kill himself on Discord
WARNING: Slur + Bigotry
Comments Leni made towards a minor repeatedly on DeviantArt: (there’s links which prove the screenshotsare legit here (Content Warning: adult being creepy to a minor) https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940 )
Screenshots:
WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor
WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor
WARNING: Adult being creepy to a minor
Leni keeps repeatedly downplaying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute in this thread:
https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12627885
Thanks in advance <3
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone You might want to deal with this on your end too, this doesn’t seem like the kind of person we want in our communities on blahaj.zone.
Then you’ll consider it a good thing that this is a slanderer you are responding to and that not everything is as they seem when it comes to them.
👀
A few things are to be considered (things which prove the power of seeing both sides through).
- When it shows a message about me supposedly abusing power, it shows a message specifically about me enacting disciplinary measures against people trying to encourage Luigi Mangione copycats. I would have thought I was serving the TOS by doing that, and still would think I am, and some instances have showed they hold the same thoughts and that I’m not just acting on my own subjective sentiments. It’s based on the whole “what’s it to you” response where their thing later comes into play where they say I was supposedly downplaying Musk’s salute. Though I do think intent matters, my thinking is if they’re both fair, then they’re both fair, and if they’re both “dogwhistling”, they’re both “dogwhistling”. Of note, I don’t encourage deaths in any form, I’m just getting mixed messages on what that necessitates.
- The “slur + bigotry” part happened two (if not three) years ago. As I explained to the mods of Ask Lemmy, I was fighting with a friend who has DID and BPD because I got fed up with their trust issues and snapped and it manifested like that. Yes, it was transphobic to say that, including using a slur whose origins I didn’t know (it was from One Piece so I thought it was just slang, as why would a kids’ anime have some random slur as a setting name). Feeling guilty immediately afterwards, some friends confirmed to me an apology was the best way to express the sorrow, and I did apologize (the wording about “being told” to refers to not knowing how to manifest it, it doesn’t refer to the apology’s supposed lack of sincerity). In any case, he forgave me, and we have been friends for two years since. Neither of us are the people we were two years ago, and we will both maintain it’s not up to other people to speak for whether the issue has been resolved. He recently came to me for guidance, though, when he was down on himself while someone who is actually associated with the people slandering me (including the person we are responding to) who is still transphobic started going at him (they were in a relationship, with the non-trans boyfriend being unwilling to accept the person who broke up with him is trans). This, sadly fittingly, came after he (the trans friend) defended me while asking why they aren’t focusing on other people in the situation (only to be censored if you look at the original source), showing they don’t actually care about transgender justice, only about whether I look bad in the process or not (because I am the accusers’ grudge).
- As for the other matter, I think your first sign there’s more to it than meets the eye is the fact the date on one of them is way after the actual date I got removed from their community, with proof of that date both in other interaction histories as well as the community itself. The context for the other two things can be found in the message chains themselves that are kind of linked to. Both were semantic miscommunications (one around whether “date” was always “romantic”, the other in whatever shipping entailed). The people in charge there knew that and so did nothing. I was removed from that community two years later for being too vocal about being pro-abortion when the art community started filling up with Roe VS Wade content.
Didn’t you leave a comment recently saying the AfD aren’t Nazis?
Well just look at what I said there. I’m no expert on German law, but I explain right then and there why I was saying the AfD wouldn’t be Nazis, at least to the Germans who still have cultural PTSD over it.
Imagine if we had Germans in our midst. There’d be like a 30% chance right now they’d be a part of the AfD. What are we going to do, ban 30% of Germans from interacting with us?
You really think something like that can’t happen again? Look at the AfD’s posters for a start.
https://www.dw.com/overlay/media/en/afd-leaders-and-theirmost-offensive-remarks/37651099/40610988
What are we going to do, not let the fediverse become a Nazi bar?
I should hope so, yes.
Same.
I don’t know how guilty everyone is, but I do know that someone’s past, if they keep it in the past like you’re trying to say you’ve done in your quest for improvement, shouldn’t be grounds for ostracism and removal of powers every time they try to attain some kind of goal somewhere. I notice what you describe was explained elsewhere too.
Davel banned me from the transgender community in Lemmy ML by the way, just for merely interacting leniently with you. I looked up the whole “rule 1” thing, it’s BS. I also notice someone tried explaining the whole thing in the Fedilore section, only for them to literally make a new rule (rule 3) that wasn’t there before just so they had a reason to censor or remove the explanation.
Back when you tried going to the original commenter for advice and didn’t get any (either as a diplomatic gesture or due to genuinely wanting to talk to someone), I mentioned all signs pointed to them being exclusionary to you, and considering their continued activity there after the interaction, I think it goes without saying now, which I was going to respond to you saying before seeing that Davel (who one of the things I showed is himself anti-LGBT) banned me from the ML communities.
More accurately put, what Davel means is he thinks you’re some kind of double of me (which makes me wonder if he sees the irony of pinging someone who has been accused, by both others and yourself, of being the equivalent of that of the person I was responding to) and thinks you interacting with me is akin to someone puppeteering with themselves (which makes me cast doubt on either his intent or powers as most admins in most places can numerically see someone’s identification, and his undertones contrast with other admins’) and that this is why he thinks you’re lenient towards me.
Some of your sock puppet accounts were banned too, including the account you’re replying to here, “Call me Lenny/Leni,” AKA @shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee. https://lemm.ee/post/58290899
Are there any other fediverse sock puppet accounts we should know about?
The only other name I have is KaneLivesInDeath. Nobody else here is me in any way. I’d be willing to bet on that and am surprised a self-proclaimed “admin”, like the one we call Davel, would take such a passive approach when you’d expect such a person to have access to all the IP codes.
Hello
As I mention in this reply here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21823992/13383057 Leni has another alt that also has mod privileges, @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world . Leni said in a comment that that account is their secondary account… both Leni and their Kane alt are mods on AskLemmy and Casualconversation and whenever Leni gets removed as a mod in those communities they soon get mysteriously appointed as mods again, perhaps because Leni is logging into their Kane alt and re appointing themselves as a mod.
This internet troll created a !machiavellianism@lemm.ee community.
Sidebar:
This is a community where those who seek to be manipulative or discuss manipulation can come to discuss themselves and ways they bent norms and rules. If that sounds crazy to you, there is a rationale and it isn’t necessarily illegal or immoral, in fact it’s arguably the opposite. Suppose you live in a world where you are everyone’s target, and they’re willing to engage in hypocrisy if it means fulfilling this. You cannot fight back, you are only one individual and you will lose. You cannot leave. You cannot stand to sit through it. What do you do? You find loopholes and put their tactics in such a position that they are fooled or swayed against each other. Imagine there are anonymous reporters who falsely report both SWAT and the CPS on you. Though this example is borderline illegal, as is reporting them on you, a machiavellian is the one who puts them in a position where they meet up in your home and go after each other. Machiavellianism is the martial arts of the mind, the Karate Kid for people who cannot rely on their bodies. Please note that, in order to honor Lemmy, anything that’s actually aligned with criminality will be banned, as will the posters.
They’re now trolling about being skeptical that the AfD party are pro Nazi/Nazis. https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21823992/13385809
Again, not me. The only other name I have is KaneLivesInDeath. I’d be willing to bet life and death on that and am surprised a self-proclaimed “admin”, like the one we call Davel, would take such a passive approach when you’d expect such a person to have access to all the IP codes.
I have never, ever used any secondary name to reappoint me.
What a liar you are (makes me wonder if those who “upvote” what you say are “alts”).
Admins ask for multiple names to work in coordination in rule enforcing depending on the instance. I make it no secret who my secondary names are. It also should be made clear “ShiverMeTimbers” is not one of them. I’d be willing to bet life and death on that. Supposing you or someone else extracted data/info from me, you would find what I’m saying to be true.
Davel banned me from the transgender community in Lemmy ML by the way, just for merely interacting leniently with you.
That’s not what Davel said at all. Putting words in an admin’s mouth isn’t a good look. :| You were permabanned for likely being an alt of Leni’s. I agree with Davel’s reasoning, and you are (seemingly deliberately?) oversimplifying it.
For everyone else reading through this thread, here’s what Davel actually said: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23093202/13380377
This is how @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world got mod powers in the first place:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModAddCommunity&modId=999488
You say that like I make the connection between me and the KaneLivesInDeath name a secret. Admins ask for multiple names to work in coordination in rule enforcing depending on the instance.
I can confirm @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world is an alt of @shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee. Though @candyman337@lemmy.world was the one that removed her from the moderation team and then appointed her back 3 hours later for unknown reasons.
The reasons for adding me back were discussed within Matrix. I also don’t make the connection between me and the KaneLivesInDeath name a secret. Admins ask for multiple names to work in coordination in rule enforcing depending on the instance. I thought all rule enforcers knew.
Oh yeah sorry I didn’t see that part.
Davel specifically says the words “they interact with each other” and leads up to “and they all create the same kinds of “ask me”/“casual conversation” posts”, which sounds a lot like what ShiverMeTimbers was saying.
If he is truly the person in charge of his domain, I’d willing to bet, actually bet, that if he (and a bunch of other people, if they wanted to make sure he was being truthful) were to release IP’s, he wouldn’t be able to say anymore that we are the same individual.
He is also lying when he accuses me of impersonating when I can dig into the past and prove I would be the one being impersonated.
As for who appointed me back, Candyman337, who is one of the leading rule enforcers, added me back. They thought you were giving a bombshell until I explained my side of the story, you know, the thing nobody asked me for. Do they think you are being honest now? My faithful side says no.
I can list a number of instances where you’ve stolen the aliases of people who have exposed you or called you out in some way, gathered both from OP as well as just looking into you in general.
KaneLivesInDeath - your Lemmy alt. The real KaneLivesInDeath was a person who called you out on DeviantArt. The username was changed, so it seems like they’re aware you took their name. https://www.deviantart.com/kanelivesindeath
TheCunningCondor - your ArtStation account. https://www.artstation.com/thecunningcondor The real TheCunningCondor is an artist who is on DeviantArt. https://thecunningcondor.artstation.com/
xxoreothecrowxx - Your ArtGram account. https://www.artgram.co/xxoreothecrowxx The real xxoreothecrowxx is on DeviantArt. https://www.artgram.co/xxoreothecrowxx
NiotaBunny - one of your Reddit accounts. https://www.reddit.com/user/NiotaBunny/ The real Niotabunny is on DeviantArt https://niotabunny.deviantart.com/
shinigamiookamiryuu - your Lemm.ee account. This was also a username of Niotabunny once they realized you stole their alias. Provable by the fact that typing in their old username goes to their account. http://shinigamiookamiryuu.deviantart.com/
ThatWasLeftHanded, your DomoTown account. https://domo.town/@ThatWasLeftHanded the real ThatWasLeftHanded on DeviantArt http://thatwaslefthanded.deviantart.com/ you put “You can also find me if you look up my name on here on DeviantArt” in your bio. The ThatWasLeftHanded on DeviantArt is not you, as my link shows.
I have several more examples of this. You didn’t do this once or twice. You did this lots of times and then tried to downplay it by claiming the aliases were taken out of inspiration, when after doing a deeper dive, it looks like you had a history with these people.
When you don’t get your way, like the OP says, you guilt trip, gaslight, play the victim, and manipulate. I can see why some mods and admins might fall for it, especially with how you twist things (like oversimplifying what Davel said) but clearly, others don’t.
Simply sharing a name does not equal impersonation. If I like a name, I use it, I act within the rules of wherever I am to the best of my ability, and I don’t claim to be anyone else (which also requires intent). Going by your logic, everyone on the mod team is impersonating someone. But I know better than to think in those terms. I am not violating any rules, norms, or ethics in sharing a name. And I would say the same about the person Davel accuses me of impersonating even though I predate her. She’s not impersonating me, but she would be by his and your logic. None of what I’m saying is gaslighting or guilt tripping, it’s just common sense.
The deed has been done. The LW mods are thinking of banning too.
Good to know action has been taken. They are known for guilt-tripping and trying to gaslight/manipulate mods/admins once they get banned from places, so be ready for that. They have quite the victim complex and are known for deliberately omitting things or twisting things on purpose so they look innocent, like they’ve done in this thread on one of their sockpuppet accounts, where they intentionally over-simplified what an admin said.
They are known for guilt-tripping and trying to gaslight/manipulate mods/admins once they get banned from places, so be ready for that.
Give even one example.
like they’ve done in this thread
You saying someone is me doesn’t make them me.
If that’s what you’re saying, more is going on behind the scenes than you think. I’m still a proud community contributor if that’s what you’re getting at.
Thanks <3
Best of luck 🤞
Sorry to bother you but @KaneLivesInDeath@lemmy.world is an alt of Call Me Lenny/Leni, and Leni appointed the alt as a mod (the alt is still listed as a mod on AskLemmy). Confirmation that they’re alts https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21823992/13383727 and https://lemm.ee/post/21587707/8543171
As I previously said (but which will probably be ignored, because of how easy it is to lie about something that’s literally in front of people), admins ask for multiple names to work in coordination in rule enforcing depending on the instance. You say all that like I make it a secret who my secondary names are (which your own proofs prove isn’t the case).
I’ve banned them too on dbzer0. Sadly i can’t do much about them modding, but i have told thekingoflorda (LW admin)
Hypothetically, supposing I proved my innocence, would you unban me?
@EllaSpiggins@lemm.ee @sunaurus@lemm.ee Why is this person still active and not banned on your instance? This shit clearly and blatantly violates lemm.ee’s rules.
Never after registering have I ever violated the instance’s rules. Some of what they’re saying is out of context while some misinterprets things to seem wrong, and none of it happened in the instance itself, the admins of which have spoken to me as seeing through the majority of what is being said.
No, they’re saying it perfectly within context and the fact they both banned you for this BS shows that. Admins are smartening up and they aren’t going to tolerate people like you anymore. So you should probably clean up your act or get used to being banned more often.
Everybody involved in this should be prescribed time away from the internet lol
No one has ever needed to touch grass more than OP.
OP, sounds like the solution for you is to join another server and block lemmy.world.
I mean, they did just come by just to attack me. I’ve dealt with this everywhere (not just in the fediverse) and they joined literally yesterday after their previous name (they admit that’s them) was confronted.
LW is a huge instance with lots of great communities, content and members.
If we blocked every useful instance just because a nasty troll lurked under its bridge, then what would be the point of trying to participate in a healthy Fediverse?
I’m not saying that everyone should block LW. I’m saying that if one has an ethical objection to LW, it’s on them to block the server. If they don’t want to block the server because of its size, then it’s also on them to either promote alternatives to LW or build your own.
No server on the Fediverse should is too big for blocking.
No server on the Fediverse should is too big for blocking.
These thoughts of yours are all very well in theory, but aren’t very pragmatic for most users IMO. I mean, why not just block the user, anyway? Or make posts like this here, seemingly putting the heat back on the troll(s) in question…
OP’s problem is with LW allowing a certain person they don’t like to become moderator of the server. They could block the user, but their issue is that the specific user has power in an LW community.
If OP doesn’t like that, and feels like that moderators presence is a non-negotiable, she has options.
…But not necessarily great ones.
(yes, and I know I’m being argumentative AF on this point; I do see the logic of what you’re saying)In any case, hopefully that troll’s influence across a giant instance like LW is relatively minor in the end. Also, by OP sticking to their SUBSCRIBE feed, they won’t have to deal with that community, either. shrug
Let’s be real. What OP really wants is for a certain moderator to not have power on a server she deems as influential. Thus, she’s trying to leverage peer pressure in order to make that happen.
But the moderator can join any server or create her own as well. So trying to remove her perceived influence is basically playing whack-a-mole, and because she herself doesn’t run any servers, peer pressure is an ineffective tool.
So if the moderator is that objectionable, the reasonable thing to do is either:
- block the moderator
- block all communities the moderator runs
- block LW
If neither of these options have the desired results, then I’m sorry – that’s just life.
Let’s be real. What OP really wants is for a certain moderator to not have power on a server she deems as influential. Thus, she’s trying to leverage peer pressure in order to make that happen.
Assuming good-faith effort, don’t you think it’s reasonable to publicly call out disingenuous, trollish behavior, especially with that sublemmy being one of the biggest ones across the FV?
Consider that we don’t have the same mechanisms across the FV as exist on Reddit, such that other means of correcting (evidently) terrible decisions (such as making a huge troll a mod on a big community) need to be explored at the very least. I.e., sometimes I think it doesn’t help in the end to run away from this kind of problem, and none of us should really want LW to drift towards an abomination such as HexBear, right?
No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.
This is not true no matter how much people like you want others to believe it. The fact is that in the fediverse any server that has a significant IS to big to block, else userbase and interaction will suffer.
To say this isn’t the case is to spread misinformation, as people who follow such advice will notice they have a much poorer Fediverse experience. This also does indeed apply to being banned from those large servers and communities as well.
The fact is that in the fediverse any server that has a significant IS to big to block, else userbase and interaction will suffer.
The second biggest Mastodon server is near universally defederated.
The biggest Pleroma server is also universally defederated.
You probably don’t know what these servers are, and that’s a good thing because the actual fact is defederating them improves the user experience for everyone else.
To say this isn’t the case is to spread misinformation, as people who follow such advice will notice they have a much poorer Fediverse experience.
Until July 2023, the biggest Lemmy server was lemmy.ml. It has now found itself defederated by many servers. If lemmy.ml was too big to defederate, how did it find itself defederated?
The myth of “big server = undefederatable” that is misinformation. Big servers find themselves defederated all the time. See also: Gab.
These are Mastodon servers, the rules of the game change dramatically once you bring in Lemmy and communities hosted on servers. At that point it becomes about active communities holding slices of the pie, as in amount of users participating in communites, size of those communities, and the size of the instance they are hosted on. To compare this situation to Mastodon servers which are user-centric, don’t have community hubs, and are based solely on individuals is to compare apples to oranges, or just trying to mince words.
Now you seem to think that defederation of lemmy.ml is a big gotcha though they aren’t actually very large all instances considered, and have been shrinking. The bigger test would be defederation of a larger instance like lemmy.world which has been done with wildly different results. Enter Beehaw.org. They defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works back in 2023 during the first Reddit Migration. Prior to that their communities were considered defacto community hubs. However a few weeks after they defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works most of those communities became almost if not entirely dormant, and many users migrated from their instance elsewhere.
Too big to block very much is an issue, and blocking servers that are too big will kill your communities. Of course there are people who believe that growth, reach, or userbase doesn’t matter. This is kind of a stupid argument because if platforms or communities don’t have any people in them creating content or replying, or voting, they don’t really function at all as a social platform. best case they function like a blog, worst case, they’re no better than writing your comments in chalk on the sidewalk.
These are Mastodon server
Nope, only one server I mentioned is a Mastodon server.
Now you seem to think that defederation of lemmy.ml is a big gotcha though they aren’t actually very large all instances considered
Actually, lemmy.world is not that big all things considered. It’s big for Lemmy, sure. But Lemmy isn’t that big at all.
Enter Beehaw.org. They defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works back in 2023 during the first Reddit Migration.
Beehaw.org didn’t lose influence because they defederate the bigger servers. They lost influence because they took a heavy-handed approach to things. But if that’s how they want to run things—fine. No one owes anyone else federation.
This is kind of a stupid argument because if platforms or communities don’t have any people in them creating content or replying, or voting, they don’t really function at all as a social platform.
This is not a “platform”. It’s a software distribution for an open protocol. And how people choose to use that protocol is up to them.
If you want to federate with everyone, that’s fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you who or what to associate with.
But the fact is, defederation is an option. It’s always an option.
Nope, only one server I mentioned is a Mastodon server.
See you’re trying to mince words here but the point indeed does stand because microblog and community based engagement are wildly different from each other, and have wildly different expectations and stipulations.
Actually, lemmy.world is not that big all things considered. It’s big for Lemmy, sure. But Lemmy isn’t that big at all.
I don’t really know how relevant that is considering that the competing platforms aren’t federated to us. Honestly just seems like deflection to the main point. A server in the main community based fediverse sphere will suffer lower visits, and lower interaction if they block the biggest servers.
Beehaw.org didn’t lose influence because they defederate the bigger servers. They lost influence because they took a heavy-handed approach to things. But if that’s how they want to run things—fine. No one owes anyone else federation.
You are correct in that Beehaw’s draconian approach is what ultimately killed them off completely in the end, however defederation of the larger servers did play a bigger role than you’d like to give them credit for.
But the fact is, defederation is an option. It’s always an option.
I never tried to say or imply it wasn’t an option, because it is, but for big servers that contain more of the pie it’s a bad idea. Just like shooting yourself in the foot or sticking a rod in the spokes of your bike while you’re riding is an option, but they’re bad ideas.
This is not a “platform”. It’s a software distribution for an open protocol. And how people choose to use that protocol is up to them.
The Fediverse absolutely is a platform whether you like it or not, a decentralized platform but a platform nonetheless. They are free to use the protocols as they choose, but some options are poor decisions that will not favor them presently or in the future.
If you want to federate with everyone, that’s fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you who or what to associate with.
Now it really seems like you are misrepresenting my words here, trying to spin me as some anti-defederation troll. When the reality is I said that defederation of large servers and large communities has consequences. The inverse is also true, being banned from servers or communities in that larger slice of the pie has severe drawbacks for your own user experience on the Fediverse.
No one, certainly not me is saying you can’t, but there are consequences. It is important people are aware of these consequences. Something people peddling the common Fediverse talkingpoints really tells people. Like the fact that if you’re banned from all 5 of the biggest servers (community count + federated activity) you can basically consider your ability to be heard and participate hosed unless you create a new account with a new name, or if you block all the biggest servers on your server for being big, yours will likely be very unpopular and get very little interaction which kind of defeats the purpose of a social platform in the first place, federated or otherwise.
Could you point where here I have trolled?
The fact it’s slander aside, are people forgetting that the stuff mentioned details things from long ago, and then applying that as an inherent detail of the individual (or something automatically applicable to them, wherever they go)?
I haven’t broken a single TOS rule here or any community rules in this community. The person laying accusations against me has broken multiple.
Which things?
I did not mention you by name, and in fact have no idea who you are.
My response was intended in a broadly-speaking sense, and I think explains itself sufficiently.
Sorry then. Everyone has used allusions as par for the course and I assumed.
Yup, they just proved this post right by downplaying the nazi salute 🤦♀️
I did not downplay it, I simply expressed doubts someone intended to do it.
If someone goes to threaten someone and doesn’t show their weapon but says they have one, and I doubt they actually have one, by your logic, am I downplaying their kind of violence?
Did you forget you weren’t supposed to be talking about this further?
What I said was I wasn’t going to go through with a specific stance such as mine anymore. And I will continue that promise. Simply talking about what an argument is about is not the same as progressing it. However, it should be mentioned that all promising that to the rule enforcer led to was their comment and my promise getting mass thumbs down, the discussion not dying down, and admins (which the rule enforcer who weighed in isn’t one of), both of World and my instance, informing me they don’t stand by everyone else here (and that I have not, at this time, brought upon any reason to be banned from any instance), even though they can’t or won’t do anything about the OP.
The mods of world and lemm.ee told you that they don’t stand by the people who are saying Elon did a nazi salute?
They said that?
The fact some people object to that being what’s going on in the first place, one can take a look at their own words.
Believe me when I tell you the critics here who have made such a big deal about me giving the benefit of the doubt have severely overblown things.
I don’t think you were supposed to share that.
Then why did you ask?
Filter the user, use a different community
So as a word to all those who are onlookers here and are wondering what’s going on, this is the second person so far who has tried to participate in the same mass slander of me, as has been happening around the web. I figured this might happen, which is why I can redirect to my complete perspective, which proves the original asker/poster wrong. Ironically, the one thing they’re consistently right about are their words “don’t believe everything you hear”, which also applies to things that seem convincing enough not to consult both sides.
Just so people are aware, the link is to shinigamiookamiryuu’s blog, click at your own discretion, and the ask is one that they’ve sent themselves.
They were recently caught using an AI generated voice on Discord while trying to pass it off as their own voice. There’s more info about that in the comments.
First of all, ad hominem. Second, it is nothing more than falsely-concluded speculation to say I asked myself. Third, I don’t even sound how you claim/imply I do.
That’s not an ad hominem. Don’t use words you don’t know the meaning to.
If somebody insults you while also attacking an argument you made, that’s not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is specifically only when someone uses a personal attack to attempt to directly refute your argument. And even then, just because something is a logical fallacy, doesn’t mean it’s a bad argument. That’s called the Fallacy fallacy. Good arguments can still include logical fallacies such as ad hominems.
For example, if I say Kanye West is wrong about Jews being untrustworthy because he’s a shitty person and a Nazi, that’s an ad hominem. But it’s also true. The personal attack takes nothing away from the validity of my argument.
An ad hominem is specifically only when someone uses a personal attack to attempt to directly refute your argument.
And randomly claiming or bringing up the authenticity of what they think was said to be someone’s voice (as a form of a comeback) doesn’t fall under that?
No, that would probably be a strawman instead.
Alrighty then. By the way, I don’t even know where the recording would’ve come from.
It’s tragically comedic in an existential way that people could see something that does so much as be titled “so-and-so uses a prerecorded AI voice” and people don’t question them about it and just assume “someone put that there and applied it to someone, so it must be true”, almost like people came into the conflict ready to take one side seriously and the other side not seriously. That’s almost like the old trick kids do where they write their names on the wall with a pen (or graffiti if it’s outdoors) and watch as whoever is in charge assumes the culprit must be the person whose name was written on the wall. That’s where much of the engagement here comes from. For a lack of a better word, it’s existential.
Yeah, when I explain it that way, it does kind of sound like a strawman. I have, in response to this, set myself up to answer questions from my perspective in a way I thought would be amicable, but nobody ever obliges. They just see the strawmen and the attacks which try to inspire assumptions. I don’t go out of my way to “use” people, but for people who so easily find themselves accusing others of “manipulation”, this kind of bias comes off as highly manipulatable.
It’s the same person as the other posts. Not a second person.
Could something be done about it then? It’s using a serious place as a way to incite a reaction with a combination of slander and doxxing. The same kind of thing happened elsewhere, and the people in charge there, from looking into it, can attest the campaign against me is little more than a means to pit people against an undesired person.
It’s not doxxing for people to mention your alias, which you’ve publicly posted throughout the internet on your numerous accounts, in posts. You aren’t actually concerned about doxxing, you want this post to get deleted because as my other thread in another instance and another community shows, people in the comments don’t believe your “it’s all slander” excuses and manipulation once they actually click on those links and see the evidence for themselves.
It is doxxing going by the definition laid out in the TOS. And it would be in most over places, because it’s still locally undisclosed personal information. As has been discovered by a rogue admin, some of what you say I have disclosed in fact hasn’t been disclosed, some not anywhere. When you look up my name, for example, what do you find? Just the slander your likes have been spreading everywhere.
You aren’t actually concerned about doxxing, you want this post to get deleted
Spoken like someone who came storming in not caring about the TOS. I strive to go by the TOS wherever I go, which might be why, aside from DA, the only places I’ve been given the boot from (out of the thousands of places I’m in) are those where it’s stated that who is banned is up to unspoken rules and opinions admins might have. And even these I respect, and I don’t go anywhere that isn’t my business.
When it comes to how to react, admins know better. Critical thinkers know better. Your puppets, be them hands-on or inspired, don’t. There lies the difference. I know my people. It doesn’t help peoples’ cases when they admit to not looking into it all before reacting. Your closing argument, as well as having a deceptive premise, just screams “I don’t care that the people in charge made this place with their own hands, I’m going to defy them”, which you did by using a serious center as a means to incite a reaction. So you’re one to talk (especially about boundaries).
When you look up my name, for example, what do you find? Just the slander your likes have been spreading everywhere.
Why are you lying? You’ve publicly used “Tynan Laird” for your persona on various websites.
https://www.instagram.com/youareaunitofpower/
https://www.asexuality.org/en/profile/181820-tynan-laird/
These were literally the first results. The very first result was your Instagram account. Lying to onlookers is not a good look.
Just block them. Jesus.
The fact this reply is getting thumbs downs just proves that those doing so are, in one way or another, puppets of the OP.
You both should report, block, and move on from eachother.
Funny thing about that, I have. But one side doesn’t give up.
This thing never stops
See what I mean now? Proving them wrong (or not doing so) doesn’t just make this go away. These are a special kind of people.
Proven wrong how? The links I’ve provided in my OP are links to things you have said and done, on your own accounts. The ones that are YouTube videos include screenshots, many of which are supplemented by links as well to prove that they are genuine. Once people point this out, you attempt to evade questions by changing the subject, claim that people must be misinterpreting everything, or say “you can’t speak for my intentions”, which is the same tactic that you used when you said that Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then you locked your own post.
When you use an AI generated voice on Discord that you try to pass off as your own, a lot of people are going to assume that you’re dishonest.
Proven wrong how?
Read up and find out, as I’d tell anyone.
Does the chat/Discord screenshot have a link to it? Exactly.
All of this is address except for the final thing you mentioned. I shouldn’t even have to address that part.
a lot of people are going to assume that you’re dishonest.
Well thanks for confirming slander is your intent.
This campaign feels like the sort of shit talked about on a true crime podcast or politicians use to try and ban social media.
For your own sake please try to distract yourself with something more productive or fun for a couple of weeks and not think about this.
So, one day old OP, is ‘your friend’ your other account that just posted the same exact thing the other day?
Seems odd to accuse someone of creating alts
The fact this reply is getting thumbs downs just proves that those doing so are, in one way or another, puppets of the OP.
I explained that in my OP. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools doesn’t have access to my main account.
Then it’s a good thing I neither want anything of yours nor am going to tell anyone that anytime soon, now isn’t it?
I also never gave away any personal information not already given by one’s user-name (and have given no other bit of info of anyone without their consent). You, on the other hand, have provided a literal dump. If what you’re doing isn’t “doxxing”, what I’ve done most certainly isn’t.
I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here.
is not explaining your creating alts. I couldn’t care less if you were a dining room table, much less trans. Access to your main account, what? That doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.
Are you stupid? Creating alts isn’t the complaint here.
That is one of the complaints, yes.
I just thought it was funny.
I posted that other thread, yes, but I lost my password for that account so I made this one. My friend on Discord who has been on Lemmy longer than me told me to post this in this community. Apologies for any miscommunication.
What. That account was banned. You didn’t lose your password. What are you talking about.
There’s far too many layers of drama-drama for me to care any more than the comments I’ve made. Enjoy your evening.
I was just clearing up misinformation. Thanks, have a great one too.
Thank you for not continuing to shit up the thread because you can’t read.
You leave a bit out. The previous message is archived. Now try going to the main URL. It’s gone.
Did he tell you it would break some of the rules to do so?
Well. I raised this exact question months ago as a hypothetical. I was trying to learn how lemmy works, and despite my arguements that this is a stupid recoarse, here is what I was told.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
And again, to op and others in this thread, I want to remind you that I’m not being snarky to you. I’m being snarky to those people 8 months ago who argued this exact scenario.
They claimed the solution is to make AskLemmy2, everybody leave AskLemmy, and now the troll is a mod of a dead community. So yeah, I’m going to be snarky. I knew that was a stupid response to this situation.
So yeah. I’m full of warrented snark tonight.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I’m grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I’ll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.
the simple fact is that very few people volunteer to moderate online spaces without some incentive, i.e. power over others. the point of this structure is to encourage people to create and moderate communities, because if they can be voted out via mob rule (or even better, hostile takeover), then there’s little reason to invest time and energy into building a group.
Mods who want power over other users aren’t good mods. A mod is barely a janitor (and I say that as a mod). Bad janitors make people move away. See !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone which was created after the power trip on !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Agreed. Hopefully the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone migration gave us hope
I needed to block the LW because I did not care much for it and I have personally preferred the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone one.
That whole situation really cluttered the all feed.
No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
Yup. I wish that it was possible to make it clear to moderators just how little of a fuck the average user gives about them. Because they generally seem to have delusions of grandeur and think of themselves as the most important people around. Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn’t have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.
I actually made a post about this elsewhere but I’m gonna mention it here too. The reason the API thing on Reddit didn’t cause every user to come here is because the moderators there made it all about themselves. To the average user, the whole ‘protest’ looked a lot like the people who treat users unfairly whining and crying about the admins treating them unfairly. And I can tell you, there was little to no sympathy for them. All they did was cry about their modding tools while locking entire communities that thousands or hundreds of thousands of people make use of. And they pissed everyone off.
I know that personally a big reason the API thing didn’t do much for me in my decision to leave Reddit (or not) was because the same people that forced me into using services like reveddit because they like to silently remove people’s comments without notice or a trace, were suddenly asking me for solidarity and to feel sorry for them. And at that time, my feelings towards the situation and the moderators who were crying about it was “go fuck yourselves.”
Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn’t have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.
I’m a mod, and I agree.
It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
I mean; It does work that way. See the 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone drama. People didn’t like what the mods wanted to do, so they started their own (onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone) and it currently has more than twice the number of active users.
So it does work when most of the people give a shit. Problem is, most people don’t.
Also !196@lemmy.world
Why do your links try to open an email app? Is the problem with your links, or with my Voyager?
Bit of both. I don’t think they were trying to link the communities; just making clear what instance they were on. I think the correct nomenclature would be to put ! in front of them, like !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
(But when I clicked “link a community” in Voyager like I did just now, it both added the ! and then formatted a link directly to blahaj in standard brackets+parentheses so tbh idk)
It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions” before locking the thread. You even used the “Roman salute” excuse and then went off on a tangent about Japanese anime.
A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways. I don’t rule out that it was reckless and that people are right to feel offended, just that we can’t speak for another person’s intent.
Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out in front of you, not to the side like in the photograph of him. My style is to analyze things closely and give constructive critique (which is why, when someone mentioned he also shared antisemitic conspiracy theories, I gave some scolding words about Musk and did not continue the same “meh” reaction).
I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute. It was probably far less likely to be intentional in their case, but it actually looked more like the salute… and then it was memed into oblivion. Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like the Team Rocket pose.
This is so embarrassing for you. Just stop. It’s sad.
Stop what? Stop elaborating on what I meant that caused me to be taken out of context? The fact people feel the need to take people out of context, and to campaign against someone wherever they go when half of what they’re saying can be put to rest in an instance, is to me what’s sadder.
Lol… okay.
Don’t apologise for nazis
I’m not. Read what I said.
Here’s a quote from @Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf for context:
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though”
and then a selection of quotes from your reply, the one I responded to:
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways.
Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out *in front of you*, not to the side
Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like [the Team Rocket pose.]
You’ve claimed to know what his intention was, that the Nazi salute was done differently to the clip of Hitler himself, even though the video shows that they’re almost identical, and then that Musk’s salute was an innocent mistake.
They sound an awful lot like excuses for a guy who was caught on camera performing a salute that’s all but identical to a Nazi salute that Hitler, leader of the Nazis, performed on video.
I say what his intention is based on what he says his intention is. Every person is the authority of their own intentions, and I was relaying what he said. That’s not an excuse to say nor will it ever be, otherwise anyone and everyone could put words in anyone’s mouth and treat it as canon.
Jfc, someone ban both of these twats
“bOth sIDeS aRE BAd”
No, no, they’re both twits. One for drama posting instead of talking to admins, and they did post in multiple places. The other one is a dickweed for other reasons, the ones in the post.
Also, dude, what the fuck? You’re not usually a dick to people like that? What bug flew up your ass today? Seriously, we’ve interacted a number of times, and you’ve never pulled that kind of douchey thing before, so I genuinely ask if there’s something wrong that you’re now doing it. What’s up?
You’re right, I apologize I should not have reacted in such an aggressive manner. I have actually had a bad day recently and I’ve been a bit on edge. That’s no excuse though.
Hey, we’ve all been there. No worries. I know I’ve been there for damn sure.
If you need to vent, feel free, I’m here.
Average Lemmy.world mod
