To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.

The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.

This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.

This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.

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    It’s a bad argument to blame Biden for what Netanyahu did. Israel is weird subject no American president can be even remotely critical of without getting burned politically

    Biden witholding bombs from Israel would hurt his reelection just as much as it would by giving them.

    The blowback Biden got for holding up a single arms shipment to Isreal was SEVERE. Not only did it not go far enough to appease those like myself who are appalled at what Netanyahu has not only done but will continue doing, it pissed off every religious nut who thinks that Israel is beyond reproach.

    It was a major shot in the foot from the entire country for even attempting to do anything about it.

    But not even as major as him just getting old and messing up a debate.

    That’s really all it took, that and corporate greed by price gouging Americans and those same corporations calling it inflation and blaming Biden for it.

    My biggest gripe with Biden is with Ukraine. It was our chance to shine on the world stage, but Biden always played a day late and a dollar short getting arms shipments to Ukraine.

    That and touting those arms shipments primarily by their dollar value, which Trump was quick to seize upon and easily convince morons that Ukraine is just a money pit.

    The dollar amount should have been the last thing he mentioned, not the first.

    Even without Trump it made people who can’t even afford to put a decent meal on the table for their families wonder why they have it so hard while we’re “shipping billions of dollars to Ukraine”

    It took Biden way too long to attempt to explain that the vast majority of the money stays here in the US and is used to create jobs replacing the old arms and ammunition that we’re sending to Ukraine from our own stockpile.

    Trump has no substance, but excellent messaging.

    Biden has nothing but substance, but terrible messaging.

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        Yes. The ol’ establish yourself as a candidate by putting them at ease by selling yourself as just the younger version of your running mate while simultaneously differentiating yourself among a diverse population of nearly 200 million voters with just 3 months to work with and no time to adjust strategy

        Seems easy, have no idea why she could have possibly lost with such an easy task.

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      Holy shit, BlueMAGA really has taken complete leave of reality; I guess the ceasefire has completely broken your brains. You were so eager for the genocide your candidate was committing to “get worse” under Trump so you could gloat about it, and now that he’s instead proven that Biden could have ended the genocide any time he wanted to, you’ve snapped and fully embraced alternative facts.