In an unexpected mask off, “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇
Always try to provide: -Server location (jurisdiction) -Governance -Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency -User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8) -Pricing and links
If you knowalternatives setups, feel free to share, too.
#ProtonExodus
Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116
Abandoning the Proton subscription now. How stupid and irresponsible. In fact, are running away from all your principles.
Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically??
Immich if you want really good photo backup. Nextcloud if you want a full Drive replacement
syncthing if you just want to keep a few folders in sync between devices.
If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler’s paintings were and nothing else?
I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton’s statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I’m not actually cool with that.
It’s unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn’t and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it’s like if I’m using their services, I’m sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn’t want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.
:-(
A car company complimenting Hitler’s painting is nothing compared to making business deals with Hitler. Ford and GM still have subsidiaries that operated and built for Nazi Germany despite the US declaration of war in World War 2.
Things haven’t really changed. Corporations will typically side with fascists when it comes to it.
So, donation supported open source is the way ?
I think it’s a personal decision. As in, you might be cool with a car from that company or using proton’s services, but that doesn’t mean that everyone else ought to be cool with it too, because they need to make their own decision.
By being a customer of whatever company you are tacitly condoning their behavior.
Unlike a car which is bought once and is mostly outside of vendor control once you have it, Proton mail is a service that requires continuous trust in the company since they offer a service. This means I no longer trust Proton as much, which makes me much less inclined to use their services.
I own and operate https://port87.com/, and in no way am I even close to right wing. I don’t call myself a liberal, and get offended when people do, because I’m a leftist.
It’s not ready for business email yet, but it’ll work for your personal email.
This fucks. Joined your waitlist!
This is cool but tbh having numbers in the domain makes it feel kinda sketchy especially for a business email, also i already wouldn’t use proton for business due to the worry of getting caught by spam filters so it would be much more difficult to use this, especially since its hard to know if you’ll be able to sustain the business for 5/10/15 years.
Im glad youre working on it though and ill keep an eye out on your progress!
Overreaction as usual, shut the fuck up liberal.
Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed…
why are so many people going apeshit with marketing and PR? yeah the guy seems to be a sycophant, licking boot to protect his business, while throwing out a couple of unfortunate truths
if or when Trump finally condenses the fascistic and white supremacist tendencies of the US overtly into the regime, would you expect Proton to lead the resistance? maybe Ben & Jerry’s? or some other progressive BS posturing company?
why are we talking about what Proton stands for? it is not a person with ideologies…fuck corporate personhood
people looking for “good companies” is just sad
Why care about the ideological stance of a company that holds a significant amount of your data?
Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc…(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.
I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.
You need a domain with enough reputation to not just get immediately flagged as spam, or sites outright refuse letting you use thr email because it’s “invalid”.
I feel like this is an infinitessimal part of the problem.
As in… to make a proton substitute you need a similar level of resources. If you have those resources then domain reputation would be a snap.
If your mail server is configured correctly this generally isn’t that big of an issue. You need a DKIM service on your mail server, and with that add some dns records (SPF records and DMARC) to the domain As long as those are in place and configured properly, you should be able to avoid most spam filters considering your domain invalid.
As a Brit, I’m not offended by the Proton CEO’s post. I don’t like Donald Trump BUT I do like that he has hired someone who should be tough on tech anti-trust moves. This is very important.
Americans can be obsessed with their electoral system, but the rest of us don’t have to pretend to support the Democrats or Republicans. I don’t necessarily agree with all of Andy Yen’s take regarding the two parties, but I’m not offended enough by it to boycott Proton, certainly not based on one tweet. I can also see the pragmatic benefit to his position by massaging trumps well known fragile ego.
It isn’t about politics so much as endorsing a party that is openly hostile towards Proton customers. LGBT people for example who paid for Proton explicitly for privacy protection against any upcoming persecution by the group he is praising.
With this endorsement there is the concern not only will they not protect these customers but will loudly align themselves against them and cause harm. It questions their ethics and business decisions as well to make such a major public relations mistake. Will they create a secret backdoor or anything else with their endorsement?
Hint: everything trump says is a lie. His new crony is NOT going to be “tough on big tech” as the toddler traitor says.
What he actually means is they’re going to use the government to destroy our privacy and freedom of speech, whilst simultaneously stealing every red cent they can from our pockets.
You gotta read between the lies with that dipshit.
Was there any urge (as if you can be urged at all to bootlick a rightwing asshole) to make these statements? No. Yet he did it.
This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that’s it. lol
What red flags?
What were the red flags?
From what I recall, the red flags included stuff like giving the IP away of activists, having access to private keys while claiming e2e, and taking more info than they claim. I am busy atm, but i can find some links to sources when I get a chance.
Huge Red Flag:
/jk lol
…that looks pretty modestly-sized in the foreground, honestly…
(this is a huge red flag:)
But also a big plus. I’m so conflicted.
🤷 sometimes people grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack. Not surprising.
Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the train for the US election
OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.
Check Mailbox.org
Does that check the boxes they listed?
It’s super simple and great for pricing its like 1 dollar a month worth it to tick all the positive boxes it does.
I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don’t), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.
This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.
Oh no… I use Graphene… what’s the deal with the maintainers?
This video seemed to have been the start of an anti-GrapheneOS movement. I won’t get into details, because it’s been explained to death, but it’s here for your convenience.
I use and love GrapheneOS as well.
Thanks for the video, much appreciated. Never paid much attention to the project beyond their website… and I’m glad that’s as far as I’ve gone lol
In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.
I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.
using services based on the ceos political leaning instead of actual features and policies of thats service? that’s dumb, tell me when that political leaning reflects in polices of proton then we can talk
Recent post from the Proton Reddit account: https://archive.ph/quYyb
Seems it’s not just the CEO’s personal opinion.
The service themselves also made a Mastodon thread (which has since been deleted) supporting the Republican party
I guess the assumption is that over time they inevitably will have an effect and people want to switch before that happens.
why exactly is it inevitable? and why should we switch before it happens?
You’re both right. I’d do the same to jump ship before the enshitification sets in. Often, I’ve seen how innocuous policy and feature changes creep in and before you know it, the switching costs are too high.
I had an app on my phone and one day they removed the export function. I only used it for backing up my data but when they raised rates and started slamming with ads, I wanted to leave but could not take my data with me. I ended to just uninstalling and starring over elsewhere.
Also, this is exactly what happened to reddit. They cut the api first so it was harder to take your communities and saved stuff with you.
