Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new “king”
Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it’s an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!
They’re is no way Trump wrote that tweet. It is full of punctuation and clearly gets a point across. It was clearly written by someone else. Nevertheless, time to delete protonmail.
Gotta kiss the new king’s ass so he doesn’t go after you.
Well, I’m embracing a new e-mail service. And maybe a new VPN.
Proton has been giving me some issues sometimes when I couldn’t access my inbox, I can’t have that when I’m in great need to see if anything has happened. Also, I’ve joined Tutamail just now and I can make a lot of folders. Screw you, Proton for endorsing trash and limiting how many folders I can make.
Ah yes, Fox News. The company that is simultaneously ‘news’ or ‘entertainment’, depending on which description serves them better at the time. These are perfect representatives for the era where billionaires are supposedly ‘anti-establishment’ and book burners that police other people’s identities and force their religion onto others are supposedly all for free speech and freedom of expression.
I just don’t know anymore. How do you deal with people who will point at a fly and tell you that it’s a bird, while sincerely believing it?
Sad. The way tech companies are changing stripes, we are about to hit a surveillance state by summer
I don’t understand how everyone can be so blind to the surveillance that already exists.
Literally all your communications or purchase or browsing history, 90% of people’s photos and contacts, everything you ever say near your phone/smart devices, your health data with devices like fitbit, cm resolution spy satelites, 4D maps of the entire globe being created via services like Pokemon Go, phones create and store in the cloud high resolution 3D maps of your face, mesh networked devices like Alexa now surveil without you even having internet access, your home and your exact location down to a meter are already being live spied on. Not to mention full remote access to all your devices.
Sometimes with a thin veneer of privacy on top of it, like Apple pretends to have.
Basically the only part of you that the surveillance state doesn’t constantly surveil already is your butthole.
Even avoiding just 10% of this surveillance in your daily life is almost impossible.
It’s like people were born after Snowden’s leaks
Soon smart toilets will also surveil your butthole.
Clearly unpredictable times with a guilty criminal as president who clearly has dictatorial/fascist tendencies…so the only option, get all slimey to still get a piece of the cake in the future
The US are a surveillance state already. But I guess it could get even worse.
It’s like everyone forgot about the Patriot Act and NSA stuff. This shit has been going on through at least 4 different presidents. And that’s just the modern surveillance state.
Pop goes the weasel
Any good alternative to proton services? For mail I have tuta so far, but they cover only that part and the webmail UX in tuta is actually worse for the free tier.
I’ve been using Infomaniak for the past two years, and I’m mainly happy about it (drive and online docs editor have been working really well, idk about the webmail cause I use Thunderbird).
Well shit, I was about to make the switch to Proton for email… glad I’ve been lazy about it, now. I’ll figure something else out, mail-in-a-box looks like what I really want anyway
Oh damn
Oh, goddammit.
And then we have the communists making Lemmy. Is there any moderate developers lol. Valve is the only big company I can think of that isn’t annoying. All the faceless Linux devs are good too
If it’s between fascism and communism, the answer is pretty fucking simple imo. Only one of those ideologies considers all people to be equal.
And no, I am not a communist, and I would not choose communism unless it was the only alternative to fascism.
Totally understand what you’re saying. Obviously I am on Lemmy. Just wish we didn’t have ideologies in our face all the time
I fear for what will happen to valve when Gabr step down in the future
I have a bigger fear of what happens to Linux when Torvalds retires. He took a break a while back, and it was an absolute shit show of a power struggle.
Glances at the child gambling enabled by the steam marketplace, an issue being blatantly ignored by Valve leadership.
Buddy, I don’t know how to tell you this. I love Valve for all the good they do, but they got some serious skeletons, too.
Valve representatives were asked point blank if the third party gambling sites have a positive influence on their bottom line, and the dude replying sweated bullets for several seconds before nervously going “we… don’t have any data on that” while the rest stared daggers at him.
Coffeezilla has a recent video on the situation.
I understand your frustration but I’m not casting some wide net here. I’m simply talking about political ideologies being in your face.
Link to whatever you’re talking about?
The timestamp in the coffeezilla video.
Watch the whole thing for more detail.
I love Steam, but thinking about switching to gog over this. Anybody have any ideas how we can let valve know this isn’t okay?
I mean I always use GoG, if given the option. But there’s almost always no GoG option. Publishers want some form of DRM.
I did this years ago and have like 500 games on GOG. Ended up going back to Steam due to features that gog just doesn’t have. Sigh.
I have a feeling I would feel the same. Its nice having everything in one place. What was missing for you?
fuck off booooooot licker
The fuck are you on about?
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lol got downvote bombed for desiring normal. Fucking Lemmy man. Honestly don’t know why I even use this platform anymore.
Give some credit. Even if they aren’t politically aligned with your, they did make Lemmy open source for others to run with.
The writing was on the wall for proton for a while now
No it hasn’t. Back this claim up with some evidence
I wouldn’t call it “writing on the wall,” but they have done some not-so-good things over the last few years:
- Handing over data for their email services (which was legally required) (ref).
- Releasing a Bitcoin wallet. The problem for me is that Bitcoin is inherently not private.
- Lying in marketing. Proton claims “no data or speed limits” for their free VPN (ref), which is just plain wrong. If you download a few gigs, it will slow you down to a few Mbit (if I remember correctly). I even contacted their support about this, and they just said, “They are balancing the servers for the free VPN.” But then why was it fast in the beginning, and if I reconnected to the same server, would it be fast again. Just to be clear: I have no problem with the speed limit/balancing itself, just that they are lying about it.
- Proton incentivizing free email accounts to connect to a Gmail account to get 500 MB more storage. (You need to go through the “tutorial” steps to get the 500 MB extra, and one of them is to have a Google Mail account send all their emails to your new Proton inbox.)
This is why I personally decided against Proton.
This is interesting. I’m current using btguard, but was thinking about other vpn providers. I have a free protonmail email account and was wondering about their vpn service. Sounds like they are not so privacy oriented. And I assume NordVPN is a similar story?
Well, I’d say Proton is still better than most other options (open-source software, no ad trackers on the website and in apps). However, specifically for VPNs, I would recommend Mullvad or IVPN. If you are a bit more tech-savvy, you may also take a look at Cryptostorm. Of all three, only Mullvad is police-raid-proven to not store logs or other PII. The most important thing for me personally would be that the VPN company is not owned by a larger parent company, which in turn owns multiple different VPN providers. This alone excludes a lot of the heavily advertised providers (Private Internet Access, NordVPN, Surfshark, ExpressVPN, CyberGhost, OVPN, and probably a few more).
What did you go with out of curiosity?
Drive - Selfhosted Nextcloud
Email - Posteo/Tuta
VPN - Cryptostorm (IVPN/Mullvad are more user friendly)
Passwords - Keepass (Sync over my Nextcloud.)
Woah… an actually rock-solid account of problems with Proton! Nicely done.
This contrasts with the incoherent conspiracy theory spaghetti that has sometimes been trotted out to make the case against them.
1,2 and 3 are completely irrelevant. 1 is completely normal, 2 missed the point that the wallet (which I don’t use, I never owned crypto) has nothing to do with privacy and 4 is an optional marketing strategy to incentivise migration from google. Nothing is wrong with any of this.
These are useful data for making decisions about using their service, but not exactly indicative of support for a right wing authoritarian leader who lies more in one day than he had hairs on his entire body.
Mostly true, that’s why I opened with “I wouldn’t call it writing on the wall.” But for me, it shows that they are not as privacy- and consumer-focused as they like to present themselves. Supporting Trump is just five steps further in this direction. (That’s just how I feel about it.)
that’s why I opened with “I wouldn’t call it writing on the wall.”
Damn; you’re right. My bad. I somehow missed your opener saying exactly the opposite of what you were saying.
Everything you said is true and verifiable, and worth considering when you decide which service to use. It’s a lot of reasons to favor the .onion/tor version of their service to limit what they have access to depending on your privacy stance.
They are indicative of opportunism and greed, which is exactly in line with preemptively sucking up to a future dictator.
They’ve been cooperating with law enforcement and handing data to the cops proactively since 2021 dip shit.
Pay attention.
Is this what you’re referring to?
The proactive part is when they shut your account down and report it to the cops but yeah, the cooperating with interpol by providing data that they claimed they didn’t keep is damning.
What do you mean with “proactively”?
Yea! I’m interested, I did not see that coming…
Neither did I.
Glad I changed my stack over a few months ago:
- Proton Mail → Posteo
- Proton VPN → Mullvad VPN
- Proton Drive → Syncthing
I’d also recommend KeePassXC in place of Proton Pass, and Cake Wallet in place of Proton Wallet. However, these were both Proton services I never used anyway.
Long time Posteo user. It’s pretty basic but works great, is reliable and is very cheap. Only downside is they don’t support using it with your own domain.
Damn, that’s critical for my needs.
Yeah, it sucks. And they haven’t been very responsive to user suggestions either. In fact the UI for their webmail hasn’t appreciably changed in like 10 years.
He does realize that Big Tech loves trump, right?
First strike Andy.
Dude got weird “Libertarian” vibes:
But he’s just one of five board members of the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, not really a doomsday event… yet.
It’s so all over the map, what does or doesn’t count as toughness. That criteria rewrites itself in real time like the plot of a dream.
Avoiding or ignoring questions I would have thought is weakness. Letting covid sweep the country. Falling behind China and India with a weaker labor force. Being ready to surrender to Russia. Being unable to confront the truth that you lost an election.
Any number of mixed and matched definitions could include or exclude those from operative definitions of toughness/weakness without any more or less rhyme or reason.
he was absolutely right on that
…and your out. That’s enough for me.
Someone’s account got hacked?
Gonna wait some time in case this is an account hack.
Edit: Also can I just say that Proton’s cloud drive thing suck ass. Like on the mobile app you cant even download an entire folder, you have to manually download the files, and if you download more than 25 files at once, it gets buggy and not all files get downloaded.
He’s the founder and CEO tho. Not looking good :( I’m surprised this went unnoticed until now. The tweet is from December!
The entirety of the tech space is basically mask off fascist Trump/Musk simps
