On our own instance no less lmao
Inb4 YoU CaN jUsT bLOcK uSsSSs
these memes are always so tortured, the reason I comment in these threads is because it’s funny content and routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
Where’s my bigotry? As of yesterday I was banned from a ton of .ml communities for “Troll” despite not having posted a single comment or post anywhere in .ml for a long time now.
In fact lots of people are banned for “Troll” or other “catch-all” rules for the audacity of bringing up things like the Uyghur genocide that China is doing or that Russia attacked a country unprovoked and wholly unjustified or even the fact that China is, in fact, Authoritarian
ETA, oh and here I was banned from technology for R1 “Bigotry”, wheres the bigotry in bringing up China being authoritarian?
I got banned from a few .ml communities because they started circlejerking about how great the taliban is and I dared to point out that they’re shitty and evil xD
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Well they’re 0.01% less bad than ISIS, so that clearly means we have to “critically support” (unconditionally fellate) the taliban
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Westerners are easy to agitate because they live relatively cushy lives. I am not saying just because someone isn’t living in extreme poverty, they should be grateful. I am saying consider who is agitating you and why. More often than not, they just want to be the ones to control you, and hate that someone else is doing it instead. They don’t want what’s best for you.
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I’m pretty happy to be off .world and exposed to the slightly wider 'verse. The MLs and Hexbears aren’t all that bad. I’ve seen some absolute dogshit leftist takes from some of them, but I’ve seen plenty of dogshit “centrism” on .world too.
Ultimately, you just have to do some of your own blocking/moderating work, while trying to remember that only anarchists are always right and to be patient while everyone else catches up.
yeah .world has some weird vibes, I don’t think it’s exactly centrist but I don’t like how the vocal ones there seem to have a superiority complex against ml, hexbear and lemmygrad.
I don’t like many of the communities on these instances either but I don’t think that .world users should be the ones to hold the power and cry to the wider fediverse when we don’t do exactly what they do
the vocal ones there seem to have a superiority complex against ml, hexbear and lemmygrad.
Those vocal ones who tend to call ‘genocide denial’ and ‘genocide apologia’ have a track record of supporting Israel in Gaza or outright glorifying Imperial Japan and chinese warlords. They’re well aware of the absurdity, which is the point of their drive to enter leftist spaces.
The same folk tend to enter lgbtq and trans spaces to gatekeep definitions there–where they also get banned and then complain about it.
The same folk tend to enter lgbtq and trans spaces to gatekeep definitions there–where they also get banned and then complain about it.
It was really uncanny how many of those power users were bent out of shape over trans people in trans spaces wanting to respect neo pronouns.
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Then you didn’t look hard enough, whenever .world comes up it’s always we’re some flavor of a CIA front, US military front, or reddit-lite
They don’t often call for defederation because doing so would cut off a huge chunk of content
Every comment I get from .ml is just weird and bad. I’m really at the point of blocking the whole instance.
I had to block them after trying not to. I originally thought, meh I’ll see what they have to say. That lasted less than a year. They think the word rice is racist.
The plural of anecdote is not data, but 90% of comments that I’ve seen defending russia in particular had been from .ml
Anecdata.
The plural of anecdote is “in my experience”
That’s been my experience too, unfortunately.
I do see that
.mlhas lots of regular users too, but in addition, the tankies are almost exclusively there.Yeah, probability of being a tankie given .ml is not as high as some make it out to be, but probability of .ml given tankie is very high
It sounds frustrating. I’m sorry it has been that way.
It worked wonders for me
One non hateful comment. Have a nice Weekend fella!
Though since everyone hates this instance I am thinking about moving to another.
There’s a lot of good options!
What would ya’ll do without each other though?
Well, federation temporarily broke between .world and .ml for a bit a couple months ago and it was actually pretty nice. It was a turning point for me I think, up till that point the .ml issue was somewhat passive. Then they were just gone for a few days and it was kinda nice lmao
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Low moderation doesn’t mean they’re into that. You can find opposite opinions on the instance, which indicates to me that it is just not well moderated and pretty « free »
But after all I don’t really know about the debate, I just learned about that and saw your comment
Good thing .ml doesn’t deny any genocide, right? I mean, Muslims are terrorists and Ukrainians are nazis so erasing their culture or stealing their children is actually good :D
/s
Also tankies aren’t communists bc russia and China aren’t communist and you want every communist who disagrees with you dead
Another example about genocide denying
https://lemmings.world/comment/12925987
Oops sorry this was you today. Go back to lm
All I see is a lemmy.world user being against a genocide, and a lemmings.world denying it.
They’re two different instances, and if anything it proves that lemmy.world isn’t totally like that
Defederating is censorship. Use it against innocents and you’re no better than them.
All I see is a lemmy.world user being against a genocide, and a lemmings.world denying it.
They’re two different instances, and if anything it proves that lemmy.world isn’t totally like that
That’s the point. The lemmings user complains about denialism while doing it within the same hour.
Defederating is NOT censorship. Giving a larger platform to genocidal and authoritarian instances is bad for everybody. A big selling point of the decentralized nature of Lemmy is to build bridges with most, but also to avoid the most toxic groups. I have ml and hexbear blocked. Until I learned how to do that I was close to leave Lemmy due to the toxicity.
The Netherlands isn’t a “fascist” country. Wilders’ PVV party is in government with three other parties, none of which are fascist. Before talks could begin they demanded strong protections for the constitution, which the PVV agreed to. They also agreed that the party leaders should not be in the cabinet, which is why Wilders does not hold a position in the cabinet, he’s still effectively a “house member” to use a US parallel. It’s why the current prime minister (Schoof) is a fairly apolitical bureaucrat and a former member of the PvdA, the Dutch Labour party.
One of the parties in government, NSC, is particularly twitchy about anything remotely fascist or unconstitutional. The initial PVV plan to use emergency powers to stop immigration was shot down by the NSC, and is now off the table. The PVV had to leave most if not all of their anti-Islam policies at the door. They are still fervently anti-immigration, but they’re not working on deportations or anything.
The PVV in government is basically neutered to just a very right-wing party. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a good government and I foresee it falling fairly soon, but they’re not fascist and the Netherlands isn’t a fascist country. Claiming it is just demonstrates ignorance of the Dutch political situation.
…that’s not fascism and not genocide denialism. Comments like yours are exactly the reason why the words “fascist”, “genocide” and many others don’t mean anything anymore, instead being used as generic terms to insult one’s ideological opponents with.
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
Well, my 1st matrix account was on the kiwifarms’ server. Nope, I didn’t know tf kiwifarms was at the time, I just liked the name
What was it?
A 4ch-like board with a rather intolerant user base
They’re not nice people.
.ml vs .world fights are always hilarious. And for that reason, they should stay federated.
I’m on lemmy.ml and most of the communities I interact with are on lemmy.world. Most people are normal about it.
I started on .ml and had the same experience.
The only reason I quit is because the 0.19 update finally made TOTP not suck ass, I decided to activate it on my account, I had a skill issue with my digital keyring that caused me to lose my secret, and my session cookie in my Lemmy app eventually expired. Didn’t sign up with an email either so no account recovery was in the cards.
Generally, I don’t think most people bother to read the instance suffixes on usernames at all unless the comment is somehow inflammatory. I sure don’t.
If they ever defederated, it would be incredibly disruptive since certain communities exist mostly on one or the other.
If just for the purpose of avoiding centralisation, I think we should make an effort to not have everything on .world.
But I agree, it’s my personal opinion that my instance should defederate from ML on grounds of genocide denial.
So did the United Nations Human Rights Council, two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/
The fact that this webpage (run by an European agency) still exists proves the UN doesn’t deny it.
If such a website was hosted in China, you know the CCP would have taken it down. Same with Russia.
Zeroth of all, that web page doesn’t even make mention of any genocides, so it in no way “proves” one.
Of the people who say anything about it, there seems to be two mutually exclusive camps of people on Lemmy in regards to how it should be structured.
There’s those who want it to be a drop-in replacement for whatever platform they migrated from (Reddit, ususally), with everything cultured in one simple, easy-to-browse place where there’s enough activity to support diversity, just without the enshittification, even though the centralization they crave is exactly what invites the enshittification…
…and then there’s those who specifically want the site to stay fragmented, because that’s the whole point of federation, it keeps out all the riff raff, and prevents the platform from losing what makes it so great. But many of them complain about why it isn’t growing as fast as they’d like it to, despite the fact that the fragmentation of community is by far the single greatest barrier preventing the mass adoption they yearn for.
Each one seems to want a piece of what the other has.
Individuals have the power to block instances so I don’t really understand why people are pushing for defederation. Just feels like ruining the fun for everyone just because they aren’t having fun and aren’t using the resources they have to make it fun. Defederation should be a last resort, and people seem to want to use it for petty squabbles. I don’t like .ml or hexbear cause they’re both tankies, but I’ll just block the instances myself. Don’t get why we gotta remove the choice from everyone else. But hey, I’m on .dbzer0 so if .world wants to defederate from .ml it isn’t gonna affect me any
It’s almost like the saying “the grass is greener” is a reoccurring human phenomenon, lol.
I personally like the idea of many instances, but it would be great if there were a way of doing something about communities that are attempting to fill the same niche. For example, there are 3-4 small-mid sized photography communities with very similar rules and moderation styles. Maybe the mods could agree to form an alliance and somehow federate posts and comments across the community? If something goes sideways they could always break off the community level federation.
obviously i wouldnt mind if lemmy grows, but I’m quite content with the current active user base.
To be fair, if Lemmy’s discoverability wasn’t trash you could probably have both. I would love to have a bunch of small instances that were focused on individual topics, like Star Trek or anime or knitting or gardening or whatever and just jump between them. It feels like that’s what federation was built for.
But because Lemmy is so small right now and discoverability is so bad it seems like almost every instance is either intentionally a tech / general purpose one or so adjacent it might as well be. As long as there’s just one community for that thing that people can find that would be great, but instead there are like 10 spread around 3 different instances and 8 of them are dead and 1 just bot reposts the subreddit - and it’s really hard to tell which is which. Like, if everything was actually on one instance at least you could just list everything.
I agreed so hard I screamed
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I would take you a little seriously if you weren’t a 13 minute old account with a single issue.
But I agree, it’s problematic that people deny genocide no matter what instance it happens in. But only ML has admins that do it and condone it afaik.
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If it worked like that, everyone would have defederated .world cca December 2023.
I just added .ml post to my ban list on uBlock. And now my feed is a lot less controversial and hate mongering.
You just know something really rattled OP and made them post this
YoU CaN jUsT bLOcK uSsSSs
But that’s where all the funny shit is. The collective .ml take on most things is comedy gold!
Man all i did was just chose an instance…
Yeah unfortunately it is one of the flagship instances and also is run by a transphobe and a guy who thinks Stalin did nothing wrong who will ban you for any opinion slightly deviating from the hivemind he’s created. Really sucks, because a lot of people don’t know this until they already made their acct and by the time they learn about it the sunk cost fallacy takes over because they “don’t want to lose their comments” by moving to a more neutral instance.
It’s by design of course, either the new conscripts relent and join their ranks or just go along to get along, or they don’t and they get banned while reinforcing .ml’s victim complex they so desperately cling to.
Any instance I can use next with S or A tier federation network and thats similar to .ml bit minus the bs? I liked this one cus it seems they were into Foss and stuff like that
Programming.dev might be worth a look for FOSS. Also db0 has been very good to me since I left .ml when db0 started up.
Ah yes, but you do not fear .ml, you only bring it up all the time and demand it be blocked for everyone on .world because…? You can just block it yourself, putting it in spongebob case doesn’t make that point invalid.
