I’m NB and quoting Harry Potter just sounds like you hate me
Edit: also I get very few people messaging me first
Edit 2: I really don’t understand the downvotes outside of maybe just enjoying Harry Potter. This is just a personal experience I’ve had.
Harry Potter stuff directly funds anti-trans organizations and that leads to the furthering decline of mental health among trans people which leads to them dying.
Sure, an opening message doesn’t send any money to JK but it’s a massive red flag that someone is willing to send money to JK.
People are allowed to enjoy things, but in turn, I’m also allowed to decide not to talk to someone for funding hate speech.
I’m sorry you have to deal with so many ignorant and apologist people.
Everyone who exuses the hate Rowling spreads because of the Harry Potter cult is partly responsible for the harm and danger this causes to trans and non binary people.
I guess it is bad in the sense that it’s not great pick-up line to use in your case, but I do like the creativity. Would’ve been better used to someone with some Harry Potter stuff in their bio though
I’m NB (to the extent that I’ve had surgery to remove gendered parts of me) and sometimes I just let my friends enjoy one of the biggest cultural events of their childhood without making everything about me because I’m capable of seeing that their actual actions have always been wholeheartedly supportive of me and that’s the part I actually care about.
And I’m glad you’re able to do that and have people around you that support you. This doesn’t change the fact that I don’t enjoy people who promote something that funds people like me dying.
If you’re able to get over that, that’s awesome and I believe you deserve good things, I am simply not able to.
There is no ethical consumption. Even a bunch of the food in America is funded by prison slave labor. I’ve been sick for months and one of the only things I can stomach is bananas and chiquita just funded another cartel to kill a bunch of poor farmers over them. I’m not going to blame other people who are poor and discriminated against because of what rich people do, that’s the entire point of the psyop / propaganda. Let the gotdamn poors enjoy the bread and circuses; it’s all they’ve got anymore.
I think the people downvoting took “quoting Harry Potter sounds like you hate me” as “quoting Harry Potter means you hate trans people” (stated as fact). The OP said this is how it feels to them, we shouldn’t downvote people for sharing how they experienced something.
Also I think people are reading it as “the worst pickup line.” rather than “the worst pickup line (for me as a NB person)”
I never claimed to be an expert. I am admitting now that I am somewhat ignorant as to what the exact definitions are, but from what I understand from what my NB friend explained it is that if you transition from one gender to another that makes you trans. NB are neither gender so there was no transition between genders.
I guess one could make the argument that they transitioned from being gender-labeled to being non-gender, but IMO that’s a stretch in an attempt to label NB people as trans.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with being trans. I was just trying to make a distinction as was explained to me by a NB person.
I guess what they’re getting at is that if “non-binary” is considered a gender identity unto itself, then you could describe one being trans with the transition being “from man to non-binary”, for example.
Gender identity doesn’t get assigned at birth. There is no “gender” field on a birth certificate.
Sex gets identified at birth (at the latest, usually before, during pregnancy, unless specifically requested to keep it secret).
Two reasons this is important to point out:
Assignment implies that the act of assigning is what makes it so. It’s not. If a doctor says that a male baby is female, it’s not now female just because they said so. “Identify” is a much more accurate description of what the doctor is doing.
The whole premise of “transness” being a thing relies on the notion of sex and gender being two distinct, independently-variable traits. So be careful not to conflate them. It causes needless confusion, since conflating them literally undermines the whole thing–after all, if “sex” and “gender” are equivalent, then it’s objectively impossible to be trans.
I very much agree with this point. My reaction there was mostly just a gut response to being excluded from trans spaces in the past for not being “trans enough” and I could’ve worded it better.
It just frustrates me how much trans people/activists fuck up their own messaging with confusing/ambiguous/self-contradicting rhetoric, you know?
Another major example imo, is using the single word “gender”, both to describe gender identity (something an individual person has), and gender roles (something a society has), sometimes in the same damn sentence.
The best way to ensure a discussion isn’t productive is to make sure that the ‘discussers’ are using the same terms, but are defining them differently, lol…
How’d you get access to that? It seems to be a major pain in the backside (at least here in the UK as a person afab) getting anyone to actually take NBs seriously in terms of the medical side of things.
I told them they were hurting my back, which had the advantage of being true. Also I saved up. Idc what people want to label shit as long as I’m able to do what I gotta do. In fact, I would argue the labels were the problem in the first place and we should stop making new ones and push the ones that exist back into the narrow context in which they’re actually useful.
Victim complex. Maybe instead of making everything about you and your struggles, just take it for a funny post that has literally nothing to do with trans people.
this post literally has something to do with trans people because a trans person posted it and shared how they felt, as a trans person, when receiving this message.
but go ahead, discredit trans people by saying we have a “victim complex”. it outs you immediately as a transphobe so it’s useful for me
Wow. You seriously just said “everything I interact with is about me”. That’s some serious, like not even funny, clinical level narcissism. I’m not even joking anymore, you should get therapy for that. It’s a really unhealthy outlook.
Did you read the OP’s comment and explanation? That I was replying to? You actually seem lost. You’re trying so hard to be condescending but boo… like did you read the comment?
Someone literally just shared their experience as a trans person, and it was downvoted. Maybe listen to what the commenter said, instead of just down voting it?
So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.
This is a terrible argument because if a man wanted to abuse women in the restroom, he wouldn’t need to transition to do so. He’d just walk in. There isn’t an armed guard at the door of the women’s bathroom.
That was the worst? If they came up with that on their own and didn’t just copy someone then that’s pretty creative at least.
I’m NB and quoting Harry Potter just sounds like you hate me
Edit: also I get very few people messaging me first
Edit 2: I really don’t understand the downvotes outside of maybe just enjoying Harry Potter. This is just a personal experience I’ve had.
Harry Potter stuff directly funds anti-trans organizations and that leads to the furthering decline of mental health among trans people which leads to them dying.
Sure, an opening message doesn’t send any money to JK but it’s a massive red flag that someone is willing to send money to JK.
People are allowed to enjoy things, but in turn, I’m also allowed to decide not to talk to someone for funding hate speech.
I’m sorry you have to deal with so many ignorant and apologist people.
Everyone who exuses the hate Rowling spreads because of the Harry Potter cult is partly responsible for the harm and danger this causes to trans and non binary people.
I guess it is bad in the sense that it’s not great pick-up line to use in your case, but I do like the creativity. Would’ve been better used to someone with some Harry Potter stuff in their bio though
I’m NB (to the extent that I’ve had surgery to remove gendered parts of me) and sometimes I just let my friends enjoy one of the biggest cultural events of their childhood without making everything about me because I’m capable of seeing that their actual actions have always been wholeheartedly supportive of me and that’s the part I actually care about.
And I’m glad you’re able to do that and have people around you that support you. This doesn’t change the fact that I don’t enjoy people who promote something that funds people like me dying.
If you’re able to get over that, that’s awesome and I believe you deserve good things, I am simply not able to.
There is no ethical consumption. Even a bunch of the food in America is funded by prison slave labor. I’ve been sick for months and one of the only things I can stomach is bananas and chiquita just funded another cartel to kill a bunch of poor farmers over them. I’m not going to blame other people who are poor and discriminated against because of what rich people do, that’s the entire point of the psyop / propaganda. Let the gotdamn poors enjoy the bread and circuses; it’s all they’ve got anymore.
I agree completely. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism… You’re entirely right.
However, just like I choose not to use Facebook, I can choose not to talk to certain people. I don’t understand why that’s such a bad thing.
I also wouldn’t talk to someone who says their idol is Andrew Tate.
The downvotes are because you dared to be trans.
wowwww a trans person sharing their experience being heavily downvoted.
let’s all say it together!!
Lemmy is transphobic as fuck!!
edit: the downvotes literally just prove my point ✨
I think the people downvoting took “quoting Harry Potter sounds like you hate me” as “quoting Harry Potter means you hate trans people” (stated as fact). The OP said this is how it feels to them, we shouldn’t downvote people for sharing how they experienced something.
Also I think people are reading it as “the worst pickup line.” rather than “the worst pickup line (for me as a NB person)”
Being non-binary is not the same as being trans… and perhaps they were being downvoted for a different reason.
I always find it odd when people assume why someone is being downvoted. You never know why someone votes the way they do.
I’m not the gender I was assigned at birth. What’s your definition of trans then???
I never claimed to be an expert. I am admitting now that I am somewhat ignorant as to what the exact definitions are, but from what I understand from what my NB friend explained it is that if you transition from one gender to another that makes you trans. NB are neither gender so there was no transition between genders.
I guess one could make the argument that they transitioned from being gender-labeled to being non-gender, but IMO that’s a stretch in an attempt to label NB people as trans.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with being trans. I was just trying to make a distinction as was explained to me by a NB person.
That person’s understanding of trans identity is not common. Most nonbinary people consider themselves to be trans.
I guess what they’re getting at is that if “non-binary” is considered a gender identity unto itself, then you could describe one being trans with the transition being “from man to non-binary”, for example.
Gender identity doesn’t get assigned at birth. There is no “gender” field on a birth certificate.
Sex gets identified at birth (at the latest, usually before, during pregnancy, unless specifically requested to keep it secret).
Two reasons this is important to point out:
I very much agree with this point. My reaction there was mostly just a gut response to being excluded from trans spaces in the past for not being “trans enough” and I could’ve worded it better.
It just frustrates me how much trans people/activists fuck up their own messaging with confusing/ambiguous/self-contradicting rhetoric, you know?
Another major example imo, is using the single word “gender”, both to describe gender identity (something an individual person has), and gender roles (something a society has), sometimes in the same damn sentence.
The best way to ensure a discussion isn’t productive is to make sure that the ‘discussers’ are using the same terms, but are defining them differently, lol…
It can be. I’ve had two surgeries to neutralize the parts of my body that were gendered.
How’d you get access to that? It seems to be a major pain in the backside (at least here in the UK as a person afab) getting anyone to actually take NBs seriously in terms of the medical side of things.
I told them they were hurting my back, which had the advantage of being true. Also I saved up. Idc what people want to label shit as long as I’m able to do what I gotta do. In fact, I would argue the labels were the problem in the first place and we should stop making new ones and push the ones that exist back into the narrow context in which they’re actually useful.
not uncommon in California. plenty of nonbinary people get surgeries.
Maybe just don’t be a raging asshole about everything all the time.
in what way was I an asshole in this comment exchange? pointing out transphobic behavior? I can live with that
Victim complex. Maybe instead of making everything about you and your struggles, just take it for a funny post that has literally nothing to do with trans people.
this post literally has something to do with trans people because a trans person posted it and shared how they felt, as a trans person, when receiving this message.
but go ahead, discredit trans people by saying we have a “victim complex”. it outs you immediately as a transphobe so it’s useful for me
Wow. You seriously just said “everything I interact with is about me”. That’s some serious, like not even funny, clinical level narcissism. I’m not even joking anymore, you should get therapy for that. It’s a really unhealthy outlook.
Did you read the OP’s comment and explanation? That I was replying to? You actually seem lost. You’re trying so hard to be condescending but boo… like did you read the comment?
wowwww a trans person making unfair assumptions/criticisms of people for quoting an extremely popular piece of pop culture.
let’s all say it together!!
Being trans does not grant a prejudice pass!!
Someone literally just shared their experience as a trans person, and it was downvoted. Maybe listen to what the commenter said, instead of just down voting it?
Its not what the quote says, but who the quote comes from.
JKR is a hateful, raging TERF. Something like Voldemort for trans people.
You should read this from her own words. I know you won’t read it all the way through because your mind is probably made up. Maybe someone will come along and see her in a different light though. I read the whole thing. Zero hate of any kind. https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
Yeah, no. It’s not just one accidental like.
https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy
Also there is hate in the blog post you linked
This is a terrible argument because if a man wanted to abuse women in the restroom, he wouldn’t need to transition to do so. He’d just walk in. There isn’t an armed guard at the door of the women’s bathroom.