Ersei, the developer behind this so-called Cloud Native Computer, says the project was primarily a “silly” pursuit. There is also a problem with booting from Google Drive currently being very slow. However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.
I can see two issues here:
It’s not really a storageless computer. It’s using EFI as storage to build the ramdisk.
What happens if you need to change things because of a change of cloud account, change of cloud API etc etc
No computer is ever really storageless. Even the BIOS has to be stored somewhere. If you didn’t have any storage, you wouldn’t be able to load any code, and it would not be a computer, it would be a brick.
Not necessarily, you could build all of the boot stuff into hardware, have it send all input to the cloud server, and only have enough hardware to render images. Boom, no storage, everything is static.
Where is that boot code kept? Is that not storage? I mean, even magnetic core memory is storage. An array of vacuum tubes is storage. If you wired up a bunch of transistors to perform mathematic operations, do the wires and transistors on the breadboard count as storage? Maybe not. If you did it on an FPGA, I would say yes, though.
This is all semantics, of course, but it’s interesting to think about nonetheless. Ask a web developer and a BIOS ROM developer about what’s programmable, and you’ll get two very different answers. :P
Netboot.xyz ?
y tho
funny
“Primarily a silly pursuit”
Yeah, but it then goes on saying
“However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.”
And that’s what I’m saying “y tho” to.
Funny
I mean, shit. If I did something stupid for fun and some idiot business major wants to pay me for an implementation, regardless of how useful It actually is, I’m not turning it down.
Wow this sounds useless. Congratulations or whatever.
Interesting experiment, but I’d rather have a personal machine that isnt completely useless when/if the internet goes out. Also would be nice not to depend on a centralized service that could easily revoke access.
Seems like it’s better suited for company work computers.
Boot from IPFS!
when/if the internet goes out.
Or worse, when it basically sends a different image…
Looks like a new CVE dropped lol
Good luck booting when Google nukes your account
Soo, booting your computer from someone else’s computer?
I mean we’ve had thin clients and PXE for ages?
More being able to use cloud storage and not need a full physical secondary computer. In theory the cloud can be accessed anywhere, even if a portion is down, not the same for a single physical PC.
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The cloud is many computers with a redundancy, you putting multiple PCs in remote locations so you can access when one goes down….?
One requires two physical computers, while one requires one and the cloud. Not a hard concept here or anything people.
The joke is about what exactly you’re doing with the cloud with no physical computer in front of you.
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Okay so you should comprehend how multiple “computers” allow a redundancy over a single one.
Yeah….?
You can’t access a remote physical computer without internet either? So what’s your point here?
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I do, clearly you don’t if you need to ask the question.
So what are you doing here exactly? You’re not adding to the discussion, so that would make you a troll, no?
is the non physical cloud in the room right now?
Google redundancy.
Nope! That’s the point. It’s in someone else’s room!
And bootp before that, and tftp before that. So I think roughly… 35 years?
PXE specifically uses tftp doesn’t it?
yep
Do thin clients and PXE require a server specifically configured to serve a boot image? (Genuinely asking.)
I’m not sure whether this project is doing something new by just accessing network resources that are nothing more than shared files, without any specific software running on the server (beyond just a server serving files).
Yes, they do. The novel thing here is serving the files out of Google Drive.
There are existing PXE servers that run over the Internet, like boot.netboot.xyz, so that you don’t have to run your own (assuming you trust everyone involved in that connection). Those are far more practical.
the thing that gets me is that said dev tried it first with amazon S3 and it worked infinitely better there
Reminds me of the image macro about using drive as your swap
So it’s a thin client remote booting extremely slowly over a really high latency connection. Cool, the 1980s called and they want their tech back.
However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.
“We’re looking for dumb investors that don’t understand technology so we can sell them a bridge.”
Bro forgot to liberally sprinkle blockchain and AI dust on his project before offering it to investors
It’s basically booting and running the OS from inside the AI in the cloud!! The system doesn’t “use” blockchain, it’s made of blockchain! Every file is an NFT by default which provides a built in system for profit for everything you do on the computer!
So they reinvented terminals, but worse
Aw yiss, all of my information on Google’s servers siiiiiicc
Put a swap file on that bad boy boy and they’ve invented downloading ram!
This is a revolution.
One of my duties in my first job was to build diskless computers. I’d record an EPROM in the station and boot from a Novell server.
So we’re back to
PXIPXE? Everything old is new again.Neat technical problem to solve though just for fun
Was gonna say. Has no-one heard of diskless boot (PXE on x86).
I’ve done it in the past with OpenBSD: https://man.openbsd.org/diskless
I set up a PXE image for the Arch installer and scripted the whole installation. The idea was to switch the boot order and have it auto-reimage, such as for a IOT device deploy.
Once I built it, I never used it again. But it was a fun afternoon.
I wonder if it’s still used for POS such as registers?
Maybe in larger orgs. I’m guessing it’s also used in public computers like in city and university libraries, as well as quick imaging of corporate computers at larger companies.
I used it along with Fog in the military to image ~60 computers every once in a while.
Yup. At work, we have a contractual requirement to replace certain PCs within a certain time frame. (Don’t ask, it’s stupid.) And we’ve got a lot of them. So we’ve got the Windows imaging process scripted to be very low-touch. (It also makes it much easier when someone leaves or has a really fucked up PC. Give them a new one, restore their data, reimage the old.)
