I’ve said this for years as others online have claimed OF is so safe. You don’t know the full story. It is not necessarily a more ethical business model than traditional porn
It’s definitely more ethical in that it allows the creators to get more of the money.
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. Clearly it doesn’t fix the whole issue of people under 18 sometimes making their way into the industry. It’s not a silver bullet that fixes an entire (sometimes problematic) industry.
I don’t know who was trying to tell you that OF solves everything about the porn industry, there would be no further issues, and that we’d live happily ever after, but that was obviously never going to be the case.
I think receiving 70% of the prices that you yourself set and deem acceptable is likely better than ?% of whatever PornHub or XHamster say they made from your video predominantly through ad revenue.
At the very least, it gives creators a great amount more control. In terms of setting prices, in terms of creating content they want to make as opposed to what a production company says, in terms of how you want to advertise, in terms of whether you want to lock your content behind a paid tier or not, etc.
And 30% is also pretty standard. Google, Apple, Valve, etc all charge 30%. Shit, on twitch it’s 50% IIRC. I’m not saying it’s perfect and couldn’t be cheaper, but it’s the usual market rate.
I guess that depends on the overhead. How much does it cost to maintain an Only Fans business?
Since equipment (camera, lighting, outfits, toys, etc.) is a fixed 1-time cost outside of consumables such as makeup, condoms, etc., I’d imagine that the profit margin is relatively high compared to most other types of business.
But that’s just me making inferences, I have no authority or experience in these fields.
Those purchases aren’t paid for by Only Fans. It’s the content creators who pay for all that (unless there’s a way to get sponsored by OF, I don’t know). However, reliably storing and streaming video in high quality across the globe with low latency, both live and on demand, which is what OF does, is expensive af. It’s one of the reasons, if not the main one, there are no real competitors to YouTube.
I thought we were talking about the people making a living on OF, not the company itself. Isn’t that the reason that its 30% deduction of profit from the creators on the platform is relevant to the conversation?
Like, the OF creator is spending 70% of their profit on wages compared to a porn production or even a normal company, which would spend much less on employee salaries. So they can sustain a living on less money overall because the profit margin is higher.
I think 30% is a fairly common number. That’s also the exact share Google, Apple take if you’re a programmer and sell Apps on their platform. And probably also what you’re facing when selling online courses or other things. I’d be surprised if a platform that also offers some infrastructure, takes less than say 20 or 30%.
Also the article isn’t even so much about underaged users trying to get on the platform to post pictures of themselves or trying to gain access to porn, OF seems to be fairly good at keeping them out, it’s adults posting content involving minors and that’s a lot harder problem to prevent without literally going through every upload manually.
Diaz set up an account and had a woman verify it as hers. That woman, whom police didn’t identify, later quit OnlyFans. But her account remained live and accessible to Diaz. He filled it with videos of the underage girl
That’s really not easy to catch, no matter what platform you are. Some people will do complicated shit to evade the eyes of the law for their illicit activities.
It’s almost like creating a platform where the intent is for users to post content without any kind of curation or manual review is itself a flawed idea. I understand how tempting the whole thing is, to set up a platform that allows you to be a passive middleman and take a cut of all activity on the platform.
Should be a law that if a platform is making money from something, it is also responsible for that content. Curation shouldn’t be enforced by law, but the legality of the content should be, whether it be illegal on its own like in this case or fraud. Ads included.
I’m talking about the commercial platforms where the idea is to scale up to the point where some small fee results in large revenues and companies often scale beyond their capacity to review the content of their platform. Others end up hurt in the process while the company makes money from it.
It seems to me that OnlyFans takes several steps that make it easier for police and prosecutors to do their job, some of which are detailed in the article. What additional steps do you think they should take?
I guess I’m thinking about this from a solutions-oriented mindset: what concrete, achievable steps can various entities take to reduce child abuse? For an adult content platform, the identity verification steps OnlyFans uses seem reasonable; even when an offender uses an account owned by someone else, that often provides enough of a lead for investigators.
I’ve said this for years as others online have claimed OF is so safe. You don’t know the full story. It is not necessarily a more ethical business model than traditional porn
It’s definitely more ethical in that it allows the creators to get more of the money.
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. Clearly it doesn’t fix the whole issue of people under 18 sometimes making their way into the industry. It’s not a silver bullet that fixes an entire (sometimes problematic) industry.
I don’t know who was trying to tell you that OF solves everything about the porn industry, there would be no further issues, and that we’d live happily ever after, but that was obviously never going to be the case.
OF take 30% I think. What does an average scene make on OF? How does that compare to the pay rate for old school porn?
I think receiving 70% of the prices that you yourself set and deem acceptable is likely better than ?% of whatever PornHub or XHamster say they made from your video predominantly through ad revenue.
At the very least, it gives creators a great amount more control. In terms of setting prices, in terms of creating content they want to make as opposed to what a production company says, in terms of how you want to advertise, in terms of whether you want to lock your content behind a paid tier or not, etc.
And 30% is also pretty standard. Google, Apple, Valve, etc all charge 30%. Shit, on twitch it’s 50% IIRC. I’m not saying it’s perfect and couldn’t be cheaper, but it’s the usual market rate.
Do most employers spend 70% of their profit on the staff wages?
How is 70% of what customers pay the same as 70% of their profits?
I guess that depends on the overhead. How much does it cost to maintain an Only Fans business?
Since equipment (camera, lighting, outfits, toys, etc.) is a fixed 1-time cost outside of consumables such as makeup, condoms, etc., I’d imagine that the profit margin is relatively high compared to most other types of business.
But that’s just me making inferences, I have no authority or experience in these fields.
Those purchases aren’t paid for by Only Fans. It’s the content creators who pay for all that (unless there’s a way to get sponsored by OF, I don’t know). However, reliably storing and streaming video in high quality across the globe with low latency, both live and on demand, which is what OF does, is expensive af. It’s one of the reasons, if not the main one, there are no real competitors to YouTube.
I thought we were talking about the people making a living on OF, not the company itself. Isn’t that the reason that its 30% deduction of profit from the creators on the platform is relevant to the conversation?
Like, the OF creator is spending 70% of their profit on wages compared to a porn production or even a normal company, which would spend much less on employee salaries. So they can sustain a living on less money overall because the profit margin is higher.
I think 30% is a fairly common number. That’s also the exact share Google, Apple take if you’re a programmer and sell Apps on their platform. And probably also what you’re facing when selling online courses or other things. I’d be surprised if a platform that also offers some infrastructure, takes less than say 20 or 30%.
For comparison with non-porn, youtube takes more than 50% from adsense and 30% of supetchat/super thanks .
From my understanding, it’s higher than OF alternatives
Are there good (more ethical? cheaper?) OF alternatives? That’s not my world at all…
Fansly exists, there are others that’s I’ve seen referenced but it’s not something I’m super familiar with.
Also the article isn’t even so much about underaged users trying to get on the platform to post pictures of themselves or trying to gain access to porn, OF seems to be fairly good at keeping them out, it’s adults posting content involving minors and that’s a lot harder problem to prevent without literally going through every upload manually.
Yeah.
That’s really not easy to catch, no matter what platform you are. Some people will do complicated shit to evade the eyes of the law for their illicit activities.
It’s almost like creating a platform where the intent is for users to post content without any kind of curation or manual review is itself a flawed idea. I understand how tempting the whole thing is, to set up a platform that allows you to be a passive middleman and take a cut of all activity on the platform.
Should be a law that if a platform is making money from something, it is also responsible for that content. Curation shouldn’t be enforced by law, but the legality of the content should be, whether it be illegal on its own like in this case or fraud. Ads included.
You do realise how ironic posting that to Lemmy of all places is?
I’m talking about the commercial platforms where the idea is to scale up to the point where some small fee results in large revenues and companies often scale beyond their capacity to review the content of their platform. Others end up hurt in the process while the company makes money from it.
The main thing I’m getting from the article is that adults who try to profit from abusing children on OnlyFans get arrested.
The ones who get caught, yeah.
It seems to me that OnlyFans takes several steps that make it easier for police and prosecutors to do their job, some of which are detailed in the article. What additional steps do you think they should take?
None. My point is that there’s a shit ton of abuse out there. Only a tiny amount is caught
You said the people who do this get arrested. But they don’t. Only a tiny fraction get caught and arrested
I guess I’m thinking about this from a solutions-oriented mindset: what concrete, achievable steps can various entities take to reduce child abuse? For an adult content platform, the identity verification steps OnlyFans uses seem reasonable; even when an offender uses an account owned by someone else, that often provides enough of a lead for investigators.