And if something did maybe happen, it’s the CIA’s fault

  • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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    Because it’s what happened. It’s not a point of morals or anything else. The other poster is making a value argument that I don’t particularly agree with, but when it comes to the reality of what happened, they’re grounded. Go read the Wikipedia article.

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      The other poster is trying to claim nothing bad happened inside Tiananmen Square itself, and it was the protestors that were the real aggressors.

      This is bullshit.

      The situation escalated because reserves from outside Beijing were drafted in, who had no friends or relatives protesting.

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        The thing to keep in mind is there were a massive amount of people occupying the square. The key point is, the army did not massacre those people. They left after negotiations with the army. There was no gunning down the occupiers or crushing them with tanks. One person picked up in CIA/SIS Operation Yellowbird said that the tanks ran over tents with people sleeping inside them in the square, but that’s frankly dumb, nobody would be sleeping. The others that were actually there noted that it was a largely peaceful dispersal if you compare it to what happened before with the protesters fighting the PLA on the streets of Beijing and the soldiers indiscriminately opening fire on entire apartment blocks because someone threw a rock.

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        A handful of protesters killing cops and soldiers does not justify indiscriminate murder, particularly when you consider it the government’s responsibility to make sure protesters never get to the point that they feel the need to lynch and burn cops to achieve their aims. I didn’t think I needed to spell that out.

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          I agree with this statement, but it’s very different from the “defence of the Chinese narrative, westerners are wrong” ship you sailed in on.

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            The westerners ARE wrong though, like the story I and I’m sure many others, including OP learned is directly contradicted by the evidence.

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              I have no idea what story you, OP, or others learned, but if it says no-one was killed in Tiananmen Square and the protesters instigated the violence then it is fiction.

              Only 300 deaths is also likely to be fiction. I hope the British hearsay from Chinese sources of 10,000 deaths is exaggeration.