• capital@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

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        1 month ago

        Me.

        And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

        You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

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          1 month ago

          Ah, so what you mean is that it’s okay for the strong to take advantage of the weak when you’re the strong one.

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            No he’s saying that weapons permit people to be equally strong.

            Without weapons, big people get to control smaller people. With weapons, a person gets to modify their own susceptibility to being controlled.

            I’m guessing you’re a rather large person if you don’t understand this.

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              1 month ago

              And yet they said they would shoot a starving person breaking into their home to steal a loaf of bread. That doesn’t sound like ‘equally strong’ to me.

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            1 month ago

            Please define “take advantage of” in your comment. The entirety of my comments here have been in a self defense context. I don’t see how my owning and carrying a gun means I’m “taking advantage of” anyone.

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              1 month ago

              Interesting how you want me to define terms but haven’t defined them yourself.

              You haven’t defined “the strong” or “the weak” or what you mean by “self-defense.”

              Maybe start defining your terms first before you demand it of others.

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                You’re shitting me, right?

                In this thread where I describe my fucked up back, rating from the VA, my inability to win fistfights, my worry about my wife and daughter defending themselves from men. And you can’t figure out what I mean by “strong” and “weak”. Bullshit. But fuck it, let’s do this.

                You haven’t defined “the strong” or “the weak”

                Both of these are used to describe ones physical prowess in relation to the other. They’re relative. Someone “stronger” than me can overpower me through physical means and I would be helpless to defend against it, given no other tools.

                or what you mean by “self-defense.”

                I’ll just go with the dictionary on this one:

                the act of defending oneself, one’s property, or a close relative

                Now feel free to explain what you mean by “take advantage of” in the context of my using a gun to defend myself.

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                  Sorry, not good enough definitions.

                  A starving man on death’s door manages to break into your home to steal a loaf of bread. You have a gun and see him do it.

                  Who is the strong one and who is the weak one there? Who is acting in self-defense there?

                  And I am happy to explain that if you shot and killed the man in that situation, you would be taking advantage of their weakness.

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                    Wait, I’m no pro gun person, but like if some fucking random breaks into my house even to steal bread, you can bet your ass I’m threatening them back out with a knife or some shit. How would anyone know that they’re there as a poor person stealing bread and not to mess with your family? I doubt you or anyone else would act differently under that pressure short of being really well trained in conflict diffusion. This whole thing seems super disengenous.

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                    If someone is strong enough to break down my door even when they’re starving, I’m gunning them down and asking questions later.

                    Like your logic doesn’t add up here at all. “If someone is extremely weak but also strong enough to forcibly enter your home”

                    Nah