The goal is not to eliminate Hamas. The goal is to depopulate Gaza.
Look at what they do, no need to listen to what they say.
Israel is a bad faith actor.
Because the genocide is the goal.
A ton of the Hamas leadership have been assassinated since the war began, there’s always replacements though
Very high risk, low reward
Wrong question and framing.
Israel’s goal is not to get rid of Hamas or their leadership.
Their real goal has been to continue the genocide of the Palestinian people so as to take 100% control of the Palestinian land and to kickout the natives.
Even according to Netanyahu’s own statements, the Israeli war aims are the complete destruction of hamas. That’s more than leaders. Before this began, estimates put the al-Qassam Brigades at 30-40k strong. So if we take Netanyahu at his word (which I don’t recommend) then that would be the minimum for killed/captured before he could declare victory.
Because most of the Hamas leadership isn’t in gaza. They’re protected in other countries that are funding and arming Hamas.
Yea but that didn’t stop Mossad from assassinating the people who were responsible for Munich all over the globe.
Not to forget people who had nothing to do with Munich.
They weren’t being protected there, though; they were just there
Israel loves Hamas. Let’s them justify their persecution of the Palestinians and the ongoing genocide. They don’t want to end Hamas until after they end the Palestinians. That way they get more land to colonize.
Not all all of Israel loves Hamas, obviously. There are huge protests against the genocide in Israel by people who very much see things clearly.
Netanyahu and his fascist crooks love Hamas.
Israel funded Hamas for a while. They have always been useful to Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
That’s actually a myth. They didn’t “fund Hamas”, they contributed to a development fund that Hamas stole from.
“Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.”
Ok, not directly funded but they allowed the money to flow to them.
Israel held up their end of a negotiated ceasefire that included these terms. Hamas’ terms included ending attacks on Jews.
Did they?
Did Israel expect them to? Just to be clear - you are not talking to a Hamas sympathiser here. They are cunts, but apparently they are useful cunts for Israel, so they helped out with funding. What did Israel think they were going to spend those “suitcases of cash” on?
Did Israel expect them to?
Did Israel expect their negotiating partner to hold up their end of a negotiated ceasefire? Yes, they absolutely expected that.
If you don’t hold that Hamas will keep its agreements then how can they be negotiated with?
Israel isn’t as stupid or naive as you seem to think. They have the best intelligence service in the world and usually know what’s going on. What did they think they were going to spend the cash on? Pokémon cards?
Almost like the goal isn’t taking out Hamas leadership. Hmmm…
Nor do they want to rescue the hostages. It’s all an excuse to carry out death. In Gaza and the West Bank.
I don’t think this one has a clear cut answer.
In other words, it’ll come down to opinions rather than facts or truths.
There’s at least three likely possibilities, in my opinion.
First is that hamas is decentralized well enough that taking out leadership only is kinda pointless.
Second, the goals of the current actions aren’t solely about hamas, and taking out leaders would weaken the goals as they appear.
Third, mossad may not be able to achieve the goal, and failing would be too risky considering how much pressure is already building against israel. If they try to assassinate people in other countries, and they fail, that’s going to make more enemies than they already have, despite those countries themselves already being less than friendly to Israel.
I suspect that the matter was considered, but discarded quickly. It just wouldn’t achieve anything useful for them, despite the purported goal of destroying hamas.
Now, there’s also the chances that the real goal is purely to destroy Palestine, and take full ownership of the land. That’s a distinct possibility, imo. If that’s the real underlying goal, doing anything to take down hamas before that’s achieved would not happen.
I don’t think that anyone can trust what a world leader engaged in a military action of any kind, so taking the stated goals as truth is a bad idea. But they could be, and if that’s the case, then using assassination as a tool would weaken their position. It’s kinda frowned on.
Further to that third point as well, there’s probably also a question simply of opportunity. You could take the Munich situation as evidence of capability, but it may also have been opportunity plus capability. Intelligence seems like it’s a pretty difficult game and perhaps the successes in operation bayonet had to do with fortunate and unlikely intelligence scoops that they have not luckedh upon this time around and can’t rely upon as a strategy. Also, while I don’t know much about the post-Munich assassinations, it sounds like they went on for over twenty years, didn’t really take out many of the actually important, directly involved individuals and a lot of the people they would have logically wanted to target successfully went in to hiding out of their reach so if the strategic goal is to behead the organisation that carried out attacks as a defensive strategy to weaken their capacity to do it again, 20 years just to take out relatively minor unimportant figures isn’t really going to work.
That said, it also looks, as many have stated, like “taking out Hamas” is more a convenient political smokescreen for a much more sinister goal so a very successful intelligence operation that rapidly took out all their leadership at once would actually run counter to their true objectives in this scenario.
Israel isn’t “bombing stuff into oblivion”, they’re doing two things:
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Attacking subterranean structures with ground-penetrating (aka “2000 pound”) bombs, and
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Clearing a one-mile cordon along the border of structures so that Hamas attackers can’t do what they did on Oct 8, which was train and amass along the border fence in secret, hidden among the buildings and blended in with the populace.
If your army has to cross a mile of open ground to attack your fence, it’s a lot more obvious when they start. One of the reasons they succeeded in “surprising” Israel is that they just were there right by the fence, for years, until it seemed “normal.” With the buildings gone, they can’t do that.
Anyone who is sane is like fuck Israel fuck Hamas. We need those buildings. Stop you fucking idiots.
gets assasinated
Gaza doesn’t deserve buildings after Oct 7, but the Jews of Israel offer more grace to their enemies than I would
This conflict did not start in 2023. It’s a bit older.
Sure; it started hundreds of years ago via Arab colonization of Judea and Samaria.
Or did you intend history to only begin once the Jews hit back?
What, you mean like in the Bronze age? Are you seriously that dense?
Oh, sorry, when did you want history to start counting?
The Jews are not all that great. The Jewish settlers in Israel have always been out to kill. Conversely, the Palestinians have always been pissed at the so-called Zionists who just started showing up and claiming land. Actually Settlers from Israel keep doing that illegal shot.
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My guess is that assassination isn’t as easy as it is made out to be in the movies. The CIA, the best funded intelligence agency in the world, tried to take out Castro hundreds of times and failed. They couldn’t find Osama for a decade, either, and even then the US used Seals, not the CIA. Sure, killing some rando is probably easy, but not a government leader who is actively avoiding assassination, as I’m sure Hamas leaders are doing.
Because it’s a genocide. The point isn’t to just take out Hamas and say “mission accomplished”, it’s to take out the entirety of Palestine and say “we tried our best to save them”. Hamas has to continue existing in order for Israel to keep justifying every extension to this war.
But then why commit any ground troops at all?
If they just wanted to wipe out Gaza they’d have done it on Oct 8th. Could hardly take more than an hour.
Because they just might actually find some of the hostages. Also it’s a great way to corral people and aid, and keep them separate.
But they aren’t separate. Gaza is receiving so much aid from Israel they say they’re running out of places to put it.
Yup all of the international reports from NGOs and the UN are wrong. Israel says so, so it must be true right?
Yes! They deliberately omit most of the food aid entering Gaza, to deliberately undercount calories per person. That’s not according to Israel; that’s according to the UN itself.
That’s why the UN has predicted “mass famine” but it never actually happens.
Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?
And it very much is happening. It’s happening right now and has been happening for months now.
Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?
No, the food that goes in. The UN analysis deliberately excludes up to 70% of the food aid entering over the Israeli border into Gaza. All told it’s 3500 calories per Gazan per day, since Oct 7 - well shy of “famine”, entirely the opposite.
These figures have been verified by independent observers and by the UN.
If I had to guess, I’d say funding and plausible deniability are the big reasons. The longer the war wages on, the longer the US and other allies keep sending them money and weapons. And killing them off slowly makes it easier to argue to the ICC that you weren’t trying to commit genocide, it just kinda happened as an oh-so-unfortunate side-effect of defending themselves.
What “plausible deniability”?
If they spent two hours killing everyone in Gaza, it’d be over before anyone could do anything about it. And then what? Nobody’s going to war with a nuclear power in revenge for Gazans. Bibi just stops visiting Brooklyn and nothing happens.
But they don’t do that. The Jews of Israel bleed and die to save the lives of Gazans who hate them. I wouldn’t, but they do.
It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto. The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet) and rendered all of Gaza uninhabitable.
It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto.
Only because they used starvation instead of air power. Israel sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per day; that’s more food per day than a person eats in Luxembourg.
The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet)
You surely mean “according to a letter someone sent to the Lancet, using a methodology that counts currently-living persons as “fatalities.”
If you believe that then I’ve got a pile of international NGO and UN reports you need to read.
I mean, no, you don’t.
Israelisrahellonearth sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per dayRockets and bullets don’t count.
Apparently food doesn’t either, if Jews send it
Update tou your question, though this targeted towards Hezbullah and not Hammas: Bro they just took ~2000 of them with pinpoint accuracy in one go!
Yes, hammas leaders over the years were assasinated by mossad. Including just a month or so ago. Top leader Ismayil Haniya was assasinated by the mossad on Iranian Soil. Gaza is a whole different story. Though mossad is involved there as well. You cannot just go to Gaza and pretend you are gazan. There are so small subtleties as to be “gazan” that can be picked right away by any local. Its a small community where everyone knows everyone.
Mistaarvim, which is a special unit of the police in Israel specializes on exactly that. Pretending to be arab gazan or arab west bank and conduct operations there. And they have presumably rescued hostages and assassinated specific hammas people. You might as well consider them a specialized unit of the mossad if you will.
Waging war on Gaza is to a. Put pressure to rescue the hostages and b. To eradicate Hammas on its people, infrastructure and weapons. So that OCT 7 will never happen again. You cant use Mossad operations to do that. You do that with actual war and shit.
All that “the war is to kill all Palestinians” is BS. This war will stop the moment hostages are released and hammas surrenders. Israel isnt putting 10% of its capabilities in was into Gaza. They could eradicate Gaza in just a few days if they wanted.
