• ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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    I am not talking about whether strategically it would be a good idea to engage in conventional warfare with the US. I am talking about the fact that how you and a lot of Americans are talking about war means that they have never really experienced one, not in living memory at least.

    War is a nightmare. It’s not a valiant defence with plucky resistance fighters outwitting the enemy in the mountains. It’s seeing your buddy still alive and conscious with half his face missing after being hit by a drone. It’s your wife writing “please, it’s the children here” in front of the school in chalk before they are hit anyway with white phosphorus, burning their flesh off slowly. It’s soldiers raping you for fun, even if you are a man, before they kill you.

    It’s our gun per person situation.

    How many of those guns are effective against artillery? Against even 60 year old tanks? Against remote targeting machine guns with thermal sights? Against attack helicopters? Russia had more tanks per person than any country on Earth, they are still getting trounced. Modern warfare does not care about your semi auto at home.

    You remember how hard it was for America to fight Afghanistan in the mountains? Imagine another country fighting America in their mountains lol.

    You remember how that war looked? Look at this article. One battle, 18 dead from the occupying side, 1000+ local soldiers killed. Could you bear to read these in the US? Can you imagine how the US would look like after fighting 20 years of this? Let me help you, it would look like Afghanistan.

    America has 120 million just on its Eastern coasts.

    China has an army of 2 million at peacetime, and it is not maintaining as many overseas bases as the US. The US currently has around 1 million people in the army one way or another. Of course, if it was real, total war as you imagine, these numbers would go up, fast.

    During WWII, the Soviet Union had a population of around 200 million. 26 million people died just on their side, of which only 10.5 million were soldiers. 2 million of these people died in a single battle, in Stalingrad. We have gotten much, much better at killing people since then.

    This would be 80+ years of war and gun culture ingrained in Americans through countless years in human lives of video games and television propaganda.

    You don’t know war. War is hell on earth. It is tragedy on a mass scale, leaving scars for generations on whole societies. Seeing war movies in TV does not prepare you for shit. The US does not even have conscription.

    Shit my 7 year old can shoot a soda cap off at 30 yards with iron sights.

    Great, what will he do against incendiary rocket artillery at 10 km? You know, the kind which bursts in the air and covers him in burning napalm?

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      I am not talking about whether strategically it would be a good idea to engage in conventional warfare with the US. I am talking about the fact that how you and a lot of Americans are talking about war means that they have never really experienced one, not in living memory at least.

      I fucking was talking about strategical suicide if anyone invaded the Eastern US…then you went all weird European “well actually, America has only ever toppled nations theirs has never been contested and the American population doesn’t know war” -which is largely false based on the number of veterans we have.

      See look your doing it right below this sentence.

      War is a nightmare. It’s not a valiant defence with plucky resistance fighters outwitting the enemy in the mountains. It’s seeing your buddy still alive and conscious with half his face missing after being hit by a drone. It’s your wife writing “please, it’s the children here” in front of the school in chalk before they are hit anyway with white phosphorus, burning their flesh off slowly. It’s soldiers raping you for fun, even if you are a man, before they kill you.

      It’s our gun per person situation.

      How many of those guns are effective against artillery? Against even 60 year old tanks? Against remote targeting machine guns with thermal sights? Against attack helicopters? Russia had more tanks per person than any country on Earth, they are still getting trounced. Modern warfare does not care about your semi auto at home.

      How does any country on the planet right now have the GDP to support THAT fucking logistics line? Lol

      You remember how that war looked? Look at this article. One battle, 18 dead from the occupying side, 1000+ local soldiers killed. Could you bear to read these in the US? Can you imagine how the US would look like after fighting 20 years of this? Let me help you, it would look like Afghanistan.

      Again, please review terrain, civilian wellness, guns available in civilian life. As well as question as to what country has the financial means to support this “invasion”

      America has 120 million just on its Eastern coasts.

      China has an army of 2 million at peacetime, and it is not maintaining as many overseas bases as the US. The US currently has around 1 million people in the army one way or another. Of course, if it was real, total war as you imagine, these numbers would go up, fast.

      Please review GDP of applicable enemy countries

      During WWII, the Soviet Union had a population of around 200 million. 26 million people died just on their side, of which only 10.5 million were soldiers. 2 million of these people died in a single battle, in Stalingrad. We have gotten much, much better at killing people since then.

      Famine and disease in a northern country in winter!? No way! Whataboutisms galore!

      This would be 80+ years of war and gun culture ingrained in Americans through countless years in human lives of video games and television propaganda.

      You don’t know war. War is hell on earth. It is tragedy on a mass scale, leaving scars for generations on whole societies. Seeing war movies in TV does not prepare you for shit. The US does not even have conscription.

      The US doesn’t need to conscript. Immigrants come here to join our militaries, our civilian way of life. Americans bring war when they travel. Not the other way around. Our local town police alone have more military power than a few 3rd world countries.

      Shit my 7 year old can shoot a soda cap off at 30 yards with iron sights.

      Great, what will he do against incendiary rocket artillery at 10 km? You know, the kind which bursts in the air and covers him in burning napalm?

      Missing the point to understand that gun culture is engrained in a lot of American lives. Missing the point my child can be part of “every blade of grass”. Missing the point radicalization is just one missing meal or sleep away. Missing the point American terrain doesn’t support tanks in the Appalachian. Missing the point no country on the planet can afford a conventional war with America let alone an invasion force. Missing the point Europeans rely heavily on American civilian willingness to perpetuate war tribe mentality.
      Missing the point FBI is militarized Missing the point State police militarized Missing the point County police militarized Missing the point local town police militarized.

      Missing the point you cannot convince this American of anything with your shit argument.