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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.
EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)
Important clarification/FAQ
I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
Very good comments that express key points:
- Detailed summary of the situation if you’re wondering what’s going on
- The rhetorical value of the bear hypothetical and what this means for you
- One example of why the long-term rhetorical value of the hypothetical is poor, in the context of intersectionality
- What does disenfranchisement mean in this context?
- The importance of not asking women to tone down their expressions of fear and frustration
- “But why can’t they just say it nicely?”
- The importance of participation in kindness toward young men, specifically outside the context of people speaking their experiences
I’m not sure youth disenfranchisement is caused by bad rhetoric considering the other causes like wealth inequality and generally poor life fulfillment
No, not caused by, it just feeds the confirmation bias of people who are already on that mental path.
Being kind and understanding to bigoted men has done nothing for feminism. This meme is ignorant of the feminist struggle.
I am not calling to be kind and understanding to bigoted men for sure!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
I saw your post and don’t think it should have been removed, let alone banned, but I don’t think you did yourself any favours in the comments. You kept asserting it as fact that there is a huge problem with silencing SA survivors, and when asked to give evidence, the only thing you had was three comments in the same thread, where the one sexist guy was being downvoted and the multiple people correcting him were upvoted. Not good evidence of a systemic problem.
(Ironically, you now do have that evidence, in the form of your ban.)
It’s not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis.
For Fucks Sake
Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.
Stopping the progressive downfall of society is on all of society, period. What’s the end game of alienating half the race?
You’re right about one thing. Women can’t make men not rape, and it doesn’t really fall to them. Does it fall to the good guys, though? The ones who already don’t rape and stand up to their peers who have toxic ideas? And, really, are you reaching anyone who needs to hear it with rhetoric like this?
Changing society is a game everyone has to be on board with. Everyone makes up society, so you can’t just tell half of them they’re not fit and expect it just to work out. Sure, not all men, but quite frankly I’m tired of having to be “one of the good ones”. We already decided labeling someone one of the good ones wasn’t right with black people, we really need to have that fight again?
Does it fall to the good guys, though? The ones who already don’t rape and stand up to their peers who have toxic ideas?
Yes, precisely. If the majority of men don’t change the culture by standing up for women and against low-key misogyny that’s everywhere then nothing will change and they aren’t really “good guys”.
And, really, are you reaching anyone who needs to hear it with rhetoric like this?
Dunno. But there’s certainly a LOT of misogynists on Lemmy and I’m going to keep pushing back against them. They probably think they’re feminists, too. Quoting bear statistics, saying “not all men”, equivocating gender and race relations, telling women to “tone down” their complains so they don’t alienate rapists and potential rapists.
Sure, not all men, but quite frankly I’m tired of having to be “one of the good ones”.
Lol, don’t fret. With an attitude like that, you aren’t.
black people
We aren’t talking about race, honey. If they think you can just swap labels you REALLY don’t understand what’s going on. No surprise.
Not gonna bother with the nuance-missing ad hom attacks. Just this one.
We aren’t talking about race, honey. If they think you can just swap labels you REALLY don’t understand what’s going on. No surprise.
If you can’t see that it is 100% an equivalent situation, you have no idea why people are actually upset and just want to join the noise.
Also, don’t call me honey. It’s really degrading, id expect better from someone like you.
Also, don’t call me honey. It’s really degrading, id expect better from someone like you.
Whoosh
Oh no, I got your intent. Believe me.
Why do you capitalize very disrespectful?
Emphasis because im Upset lol
