• Mango@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Why should I have to explain my choices regarding my body? Take my money and do your job or don’t and I’ll go to someone else who will.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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      4 months ago

      Because sometimes its about protecting yourself from yourself.

      Making sure someone wants a vasectomy because they have all the children they want is a different thing from wanting a vasectomy as a jump scare reaction to just having had a baby and oh shit oh shit, let me do something I’ll regret later.

      Fully agree that doctors take precautions with procedures that are hard to reverse or potentially irreversible.

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          4 months ago

          Alright, so next time when you drunkenly stumble into a heavy traffic road, I’ll let you die

          If infind you on the ground having a heart attack, I’ll just leave you to die

          When you are about to eat poisonous food, I won’t warn you, go right ahead.

          You “i never make mistakes!!” Guys are tiring

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              4 months ago

              Yeah well, ain’t gonna happen.

              If you want to be ignorant and dumb, be my guest, be careless, but we WILL stop you. This “but muh freedom”, FUCK your freedom. There are limits to everything, including freedoms.

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      Because medical ethics requires some degree of confidence that you’re not making a permanent decision that you’ll regret.

      Unnecessary hurdles like mandatory waiting periods, refusing to do it without someone else’s consent, or refusal to do it at all if you’re childless are wrong, but making sure someone understands the procedure and it’s consequences and that what they’re asking for is actually solving the complaint they want to solve is just being responsible.

      Doctors aren’t mechanics.

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          Sure, but you still need to convince someone else you are informed and educated on the risks and outcomes.

          You get a handful of really bad stories, but most doctors just want to make sure they don’t have a patient knocking on their door complaining that this vasectomy thing isn’t what they wanted.

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          4 months ago

          It is entirely your decision. It’s also their decision if they can ethically perform the procedure.

          Some people read that a vasectomy can be reversed and understand that they are 100% reversible 100% of the time. If someone says they want a vasectomy so they can skip other forms of birth control until they’re ready to have kids, the doctor needs to correct their misunderstanding before they can ethically perform the procedure.

          “Informed consent” requires making sure the individual is “informed”, “able to consent”, and “consenting”.

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            4 months ago

            That sounds fair enough tbh. You gotta know what the function of what you’re getting is.

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      Because like it or not, it’s not the doctors job to do whatever you want no questions asked. It’s to evaluate need, desire, and risks and advise and act accordingly.

      The doctor who would perform an unnecessary procedure without doing that is just as bad as the one who refuses. Maybe worse.

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        4 months ago

        It doesn’t need to be necessary. It’s not their call. It’s no different from getting an abortion.

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          4 months ago

          Sterilization is quite a bit different from abortion.

          An abortion is a choice not to have a child. Sterilization is a choice to permanently alter your body such that you can never have children.

          A doctor talking to a patient to ensure they understand a procedure and it’s consequences and that those consequences are what they want when those consequences are permanent is just responsible.

          It’s entirely the patients decision, but that doesn’t mean the doctor shouldn’t confirm their intent.

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          NHS = National Health Service

          It’s what we have in the UK, and essentially means that all your health care is free.

          Vasectomy = free. Having a baby in hospital = free. CAT scan = free. Insulin = free.

          Admittedly, it’s paid for in taxes, but at a small fraction of the cost of the American way of doing things.