It feels like Harris has to run a damn near flawless campaign just to BARELY beat this guy. Yeah you can bring up the current state of the country, but Trump mishandled COVID, there were over 200k deaths, BLM protest and was 2x impeached. And yet, Joe Biden BARELY beat him.

Trump is a convicted felon, liable sexual predator, caused an insurrection on the Capitol Hill, tried to steal the 2020 election (find me 11,000 votes), constantly kisses Russia’s ass, has more pending court cases and gets sentenced next month and overall has been the main driving factor in America’s division.

Yet, this race is STILL either 50/50 or a slight tilt (Harris leads the polling aggregate right now). Harris gets destroyed by the corporate media for almost anything, yet Trump is still lying and saying the most outlandish shit and nobody cares.

Why does it feel standards are much higher for Harris than Trump?

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    The president isn’t in charge of COVID. States are in charge of COVID. Pandemics are handled by the states with help from the federal government. BLM protest are once again state issues. I’m not sure why so many Americans don’t understand how the government is run. Presidents are not dictators. They are limited by the constitution and laws.

    No why is the split so close? Harris isn’t a good candidate. She’s wildly unpopular and has been for years. He policies are horrible and the average American doesn’t want them. They are the opposite of what Americans want.

    Biden has always been fairly unpopular. I’ve always thought the guy was an idiot but he isn’t far left. He fairly moderate to Leaning a little right.

    We also have a large red/blue divide in this country and presidents are picked by the EC.

    Trump is a horrible candidate but things ran well when he was in office. People will remember that.

    The short version is we are running two awful candidates and that’s why the elections are close.

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      Idk about that, several polls are showing Dem enthusiasm around 75-85%. That’s way more than Biden earlier this year. Harris’ base seems to like her.

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    Because the media are largely in the hands of the oligarchy that will stop at nothing to get another tax cut.

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    I don’t believe it’s possible for anybody to be held to lower standards than Trump.

    It’s a good thing she’s held to higher standards. I don’t want anybody held to his standards running anything.

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    They are trying to break through the misinformation being fed to Republicans. And trying to ensure anyone on the fence otherwise doesn’t have any excuses.

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    Theres several reasons

    Part of it is good old fashioned bigotry

    A big part of it is the systemic advantage the Electoral College gives Republicans

    And of course there’s the matter that Traitor Trump voters don’t have standards while the rest of us do

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    The problem isn’t that Harris is being held to a higher standard. The problem is that Americans think of elections the same way they think of a sporting match. It’s “my team is going to win!” not “I’m going to vote for the candidate that is best aligned with my beliefs.” A huge number of the people who are voting Republican are doing so because the Republican party is their “team,” and damn it, their team is going to win even if it kills them.

    Many years ago, I was discussing politics with a coworker (always a bad idea, but whatever). It went something like this:

    “So, you don’t think the less-fortunate should be able to afford medical care?” “No, of course not, everyone should be able to see a doctor.”

    “You don’t think gay people should be allowed to marry?” “I’m not gay, but they can do whatever makes them happy.”

    “You support the war in Iraq, then?” “I support our troops, but the war is kind of a waste.”

    “We definitely should legalize weed, right?” “Um, I’d smoke it if I didn’t get drug tested.”

    “So why are you voting Republican, then?” “My family is Republican; we always do.”

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      “So why are you voting Republican, then?” “My family is Republican; we always do.”

      Republican politicians would eat this person and their family if it ever came to it

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      As an outsider looking in, I’ve seen a lot of footage of rallies and events (on both sides) that are just absolutely crazy to me. Almost dystopian. People with painted faces, all kinds of merch, hollering and shouting and cheering like it’s the X Factor or a rock concert or something. You see people being interviewed outside the events and it’s like a festival in the background. It’s really, really bizarre. We have problems with our politics here too but not like that. I can’t believe that all of those people are ACTUALLY that passionate about any policies themselves, it’s just vague culture wars nonsense with a bizarre personality contest as a proxy for it.

      As I say, I’m not trying to act superior. My country has its share of problems too, just a very different sort.

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        You have to understand, you are seeing people of VERY low intelligence. I know that’s tough to accept, but demographics are really frightening in America. Millions of voters with intelligence not very much higher than outright mental retardation. And so, the system learned long ago, you don’t bother trying to get them to think you’re right for the job, you don’t want them thinking at all. So you just get them to ally with you as a tribe, and that way they’re yours even if you’re doing the opposite of what they want.

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          This is why The Founders implemented a Representative Democracy. They knew half of the populace were dumber than rocks.

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      Here in Canada I’ve seen much the same behaviour for both Liberal and Conservative voters. “I vote Liberal because I’ve always voted Liberal” is a surprisingly common statement especially among the older generations, and to a small extent even the Green party has a few loyalists in BC.

      Always voting the same way no matter what happens is just giving your vote away for free.

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    People who would ever consider voting for the Toupee have no standards. No bar, no logic or even thought goes in to who they vote for.

    The people who are planning to vote against the Toupee have standards. And the Democratic party has continually failed to meet those standards. And the only time the people have any power to pressure a politician is when they’re running for office. Anyone claiming “just vote in the D, then we can focus on getting progress made” is a centrist who is ok being perpetually part of the oppressed class.

    Yes, we need to vote against the Toupee, and the GOP in general. We also need a presidential administration who will get progress done. And since the human species has, at best, 30 years left before the majority of the world is uninhabitable, little baby steps won’t cut it.

    So Harris and the Dems have a high bar. Because the alternative is fascism, or death by climate change.

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      Anyone claiming “just vote in the D, then we can focus on getting progress made” is a centrist who is ok being perpetually part of the oppressed class.

      Well if that isn’t just the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

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            Yeah, the vast majority of the “genocide” screamers are Trump supporters trying to demotivate left leaning folks from voting Democratic.

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          Scream at everyone on a small niche internet forum who says anything about politics without mentioning the thing everybody already knows about

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        This poster doesn’t care one whit about the plight of Palestinians. It has but one goal – to be the nerdy girl that helps peel votes off the votes from the nerdy guy so her friend, the jerkish cheerleader favoured by the Jocks, can win the SGA election 49 to 48 to 3 (I’ve posted this example of how government works in First Past the Post if you’d like to understand what I mean by nerd girl and cheerleader in SGA). The purpose of this poster and others like it is to throw the election to Trump so we’re subjected to Project 2025, which incidentally aligns with Putin’s and Xi’s goals.

        Please think carefully before you listen to this poster or any other like it.

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          “The only people who care about Genocide are those who vote in favor of it”

          Thanks for the comment definitely not alt account that came out of retirement but acts like an active poster.

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      That would add up if you thought people should choose fascism or death from climate change over some sense of chance.

      We need to make larger demands, but voting for those options you listed shouldn’t be 50/50 as the post is questioning.

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    The Republican Party and it’s base are anti-intellectual, why do you think they care about logical consistency in their politicians?

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    Trump is an outrage machine, and we have a media that deals in an economy of outrage.

    Trump gets outrage. Outrage gets clicks. Clicks get money. It’s a pretty simple chain to follow.

    We need to wake up and realize that a profit-driven instantaneous news system that leverages strong emotions is not good for anybody. Truth is subjective nowadays, and all that matters is getting information (not necessarily facts) out and people consuming it (and all the ads embedded with it) there, first, and right now.

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    Can you imagine a woman or a black man (let alone a black woman) running for president while being three-times divorced with kids from multiple partners and having cheated multiple times on top of that? Even if they were rich like Trump, it would never fly.

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        Obama got so much leeway throughout his career, shit like PRISM and Snowden, Benghazi, the invasion of Ukraine, the rise of isis, all under his watch.

        Drone warfare as we know it was popularized under Obama, say what you want about trump, but when he took over he stopped bombing Somalia, Obama and Biden bombed the shit out of somalia

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          I was curious about this, so I looked it up on Wikipedia, and I don’t see this stopping you’re talking about. If anything I’m seeing less bombings during Biden’s term, not Trump’s.

          Either you’re a troll or uninformed.

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    Part of the issue is the push by many left-wing voters to get actually progressive politics on the table after years of alternating between regressives and complacent centrists* that prefer making small concessions to the right over big steps to the left. They don’t want another presidency marked by lukewarm promises kept poorly. They’re tallying up all the ways in which Harris still isn’t as good as she ough to be.

    For Trumpers, he is good enough. He is everything they want: A public role model enabling them to be an absolutely shameless asshat.

    The complexity arises when people advocate voting for a third party instead. By and large, no third party has the traction to beat the Republicans. You’d need to get the entire Dem voterbase and then some. If that fails, you’ve split the non-Rep voterbase and the enabling asshat gets the plurality. On the other hand, there’s a risk that leaning too far left in the attempt to keep the progressive voters may lose the centrist* voters, which is a gamble whether that will end up a net positive. Harris has a tough job: walking a political tightrope, particularly if it’s consistently being tugged at by people.

    And there are good reasons to tug on that rope. You’ll find some in these comments: Settling for “Good enough” doesn’t help getting actual change. For the ultra-rich, on the other hand, progressive policies are a detriment, so they’ll want to tug it the other way. The left doesn’t want to cede ground and keeps pulling. The centrists* that don’t like Trump but also fear dramatic change pull her to the other side again. The “centrists”** pull just to see her fall.

    And that’s exciting! That’s an actual conflict of ideologies! That’s her having to work for her voters’ approval! You’ll see the complaints flying left and right, see her try to keep an ever-shifting balance, see drama and tension! People love drama and tension. Corporate media loves drama and tension because it gets attention, clicks, revenue, all that. “Assholes still support Asshole” just isn’t as interesting as “<prominent person> criticises Kamala for <policy>, calls her <incomplete quote>”.

    Also, splitting the Dem voterbase serves the corporate executives and shareholders that want the right-wing tax breaks and erosion of worker protections because it makes them even richer. That’s probably not a coincidence.


    *Centrist as in “I don’t want things to radically change”, not as in “I think both parties are equally bad, so I’ll sow dissent in the Dem voterbase, pretend that I’m not helping Trump with that and get to feel superior to both”.

    ** The latter group of the above footnote. It doesn’t really matter whether they’re intentional agents of disunity or idealists that care more about voting with their heart than the actual outcome. The result is the same: At best, they’ve achieved nothing. At worst, they’ve contributed to Trump’s victory.

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    Because a huge percentages of white guys are huge stupid pieces of shit and there are a lot of us out there.

    To give you an example there was a poll in the swing states that showed that guys preferred Trump 56 to 44 and women the reverse. Nationwide in the last go round white men across the entire nation showed near as big a split again 56 44. vs 51 to 47 in Biden’s favor.

    It’s about bigotry.

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    It feels like Harris has to run a damn near flawless campaign

    Literally supports Genocide lmfao. Was Adolf Hitler running a flawless campaign too?

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      Was Adolf Hitler running a flawless campaign too?

      Not flawless, but his moves to boost the German economy and reduce unemployment had pretty wide support in Germany, especially after the extreme troubles the Germans had economically after the first World War. His rise to power was only made possible by a wide base of support that existed during the 1930s in Germany.

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      Trump also supports genocide. Nobody who doesn’t can possibly win.

      If this is your line then you should probably just never vote ever, because this won’t ever change.

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        I’m pretty doubtful the luminary you replied to lives in or has ever even been to the US.

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          They appear to be from the Netherlands, or a similar European country. TrickDacy pointed out their time zones of activity aren’t based in the US, and the name Linkerbaan stems from Dutch.

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        Stop pretending Harris is running a flawless campaign and ButTrUmP when the stupid lie gets debunked.

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          I’m not pretending that. I’m pointing out that the official policy of the US since before my parents were born has been to support Israel no matter what, and if that was going to change because anybody cared what was happening to Palestinians it would have changed decades ago.

          So you need to accept that the country you live in will do heinous shit that you loathe and there’s nothing you can do about it.

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            You need to accept that anyone enabling it is responsible. Anyone voting Democrat or Republican is complicit in Genocide and should face tribunals.

            There was ignorance in the past. Everyone voting D now knows they will support Genocide and do so willingly

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              Wow dude, do you live in a make believe world where anyone who you don’t agree with gets the French razor?

              Saying anyone who supports either side should face a tribunal is insane and completely idiotic.

              I hope one day you can learn just because you have such a high radical leaning and believe death is deserved upon all who disagree with your ideology, doesn’t mean that it should be done.

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                Wow dude, do you live in a make believe world where anyone who you don’t agree with gets the French razor?

                No just the literal Nazis that support Genocide.

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                Linkerbaan is one of our resident MAGAs. He likes the genocide against Palestinians but wants the guy who blasted Yemen to take over and “finish the job.” He wants more killing in Ukraine. And he wants more killings in the US, like starting with socialists.

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                Linkerbaan isn’t a rational person, nor participating in good faith. Their entire existence is arguing with people online and accusing people of loving genocide.

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                  I’ve started to wonder if it’s even a real person. They don’t respond with any measure of logic or awareness to anything at all, just “liberals want genocide!!” over and over.

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              Anyone voting Democrat or Republican is complicit in Genocide and should face tribunals.

              Really great job silencing yourself to prove a point. People who don’t participate in society are great at enacting change 🙄

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              Ahh, I love you, bro. This place is wild, ain’t it? If one doesn’t fall in line to their militant liberal agenda, you’re ignorant MAGA scum.

              I’m just glad to see someone else here trying to talk some sense.

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                Stay strong my man/woman. We had red MAGA in 2016 now we also have Blue MAGA. The death cult grows fast.

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                  The divisiveness is insane and scary. So many feel such a devotion to “their side.” They don’t realize these politicians love getting them all riled up and emotional about an issue so that they will fight for their political agenda with passion. And they just sit back and laugh.

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                What he’s saying makes no sense at all, in real life. Voting for candidates who support voting reform at the state level is the way to get more choices on national ballots. Convincing otherwise D voters to vote for 3rd parties helps Trump. Maybe not MAGA scum, maybe just misguided and clueless? Who can tell.

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              Brilliant, I’ll just vote for a candidate who can’t possibly win. Then I’m all set.

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              No. If you vote Republican OR neither, you are supporting TWO genocides. Because the Republicans want more than just Palestinians dead, like trans people, and a vote for third party as it is right now is only helping that along.

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              Yeah, that too. My tax dollars are going to kill children. Just like my father and his father before him.

              Welcome to America.

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          We use a first past the post system. Stop denying reality as if your third party candidate matters in the slightest. Until we get some sort of ranked choice/etc, they literally couldn’t matter less

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            We’ve been trying to tell this shining intellectual star and friends that for 6 months but somehow they aren’t able to understand those comments.

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        It’s funny that “candidates have to support genocide or they can’t win” is motivating you to punch left instead of rioting in the streets against AIPAC

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      Completely missing the point while also proving their point with a bonus side of refusing to allow any topic of conversation that isn’t the one you want. 10/10