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Settings itself has been around in one form or another since at least Win95. 29 years…
Nice screenshot, nobody will recognize by this what did they remove
I haven’t personally used windows for a long while. I get to fix my wife’s stupid printer, scanner Adobe Acrobat. That’s it. I mean this is great! It means that we can just go on with our lives and automatically not be windows savvy anymore! So many benefits! I can just tell all my tech beneficiaries to take a hike or go Linux because I don’t know how to fix their dumbass windows! This is going to be great!
I’ve been doing that for years. I genuinely do not know how to fix Windows anymore. Took a while for my family and friends to accept since I “work with computers” but now they don’t automatically come to me when Windows breaks.
Oh this is good to know that the strategy works because that’s what I’m planning to do.
One word. “devman”
While My go to is control panel if they fully committed to settings in win 8 I wouldn’t give a fuck. I don’t care where my settings live as long as it’s all in 1 place
Pity I have shifted enough away from win thar I only need it for a single program and could no longer care
Is this just for 11, or are they going to ruin 10 some more with this change too?
I’m not seeing it mentioned in the article.Well, 10 is going away in about a year anyway, isn’t it. I don’t think they really care about 10 anymore.
It’s just support that’s going away, not the OS.
I’m staying on 10 until it really doesn’t work, and then moving entirely to Linux. I already don’t use windows much and I’m not missing most of it.
If you insist on using it that long, at least find a good copy of Win 10 LTSC. It’s supported for much longer.
And that’s completely fine. I would advise on a cut-off date of around Oct 15. 2025. Your OS won’t receive any security updates after that and having it connected to internet at that point is going to be a major risk.
You have more than a year to prepare, though. Use it wisely. :)
I personally think the risk of not receiving updates is pretty overstated. I’m more concerned with when applications stop supporting it - which normally happens because libraries stop supporting it.
Well. When the OS stops receiving updates there’s a whole lot of stuff that stops receiving updates (much of which is the libraries that are being updated with the OS).
Using Windows 10 past the cut-off date is perfectly possible but more and more of the security of your device (and, as it’ll be connected to the internet, all other unpatched devices) will be on you, rather than a large company (or a collective of really smart people).
Very recently a 0-click vulnerability was discovered where all you needed in order to be attacked is having IPv6 enabled.
If you don’t have security updates you are at risk of these attacks, even if you don’t click on suspicious links or download random apps.
I find it funny they’ve been trying to kill the Control Panel for 12 years now and still haven’t been able to do it. Microsoft, here’s an idea you can have for free: Put an “Other” section in the Settings app that opens the Control Panel inside the app, QED.
And just like that . . . Windows deleted itself
Just yesterday I wanted to disable sound devices. The button in the settings app even says „turn devices on/off“, but once inside the menu, there is no option to enable or disable sound devices.
Had to use the control panel again.
Mmsys.cpl is the only way for me
If Microsoft had actually moved all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s 12 years old, btw), I’d be supportive of this.
It’s a joke that windows has 2 settings apps, and searching for specific settings in the start menu will take you to either, or to both.
But as we all know, Microsoft won’t do this properly. They’ll likely just continue with their 75% finished settings app while hiding the control panel, and if you need something not in the settings app you’ll have to income some old menu using a run command or some other terrible UX idea.
MacOS, Android, iOS, Linux distros don’t have this issue. Fucking TempleOS doesn’t have this issue. Microsoft is a $3.2 trillion company.
The absolute lack of effort they put into Windows is pathetic. They’re a shining example of why monopolies should not be allowed to happen.
Does Linux have good support for VR yet? Specifically my HP Reverb g2 that seems to be reliant on windows mixed reality…
I’ve never tried VR, but from what I’ve heard it’s hit and miss on Linux right now - certainly not as good as Windows at the moment.
I know that KDE has a lot of stuff for VR (unsurprising given Valve is pushing for it), and Gnome has just merged a lot of the same, so if you give it a spin I’d recommend an up-to-date distro (say Fedora or Opens use) with either KDE or Gnome.
I imagine that when Valve releases their new headset, progress will accelerate, but that’s just a guess
Interesting, thank you
Also was unaware Valve was working on a new headset! That’s good news as it feels like the market has really stagnated outside of the Meta headsets.
I wouldn’t get too excited. Supposedly the next headset is internally called Deckard, and it’s been “about to release” for like 3 years now? Pretty much everything people think they know about it is conjecture based off code Valve has tucked away in SteamVR; zero public statements of intent.
As for VR on Linux… kinda? I’ve only read terrible things about it online. I have an Index and tried to use it with Mint a few months back, and while it mostly worked without any configuration issues, there was a weird white ring around the edge of the screen that I couldn’t figure out.
zero public statements of intent
To be fair, when has Valve ever done this?
About as often as they actually release anything
Just a curious question - Is there any VR sets that work with Linux Distros? I’m not much of a gamer to need or want one. Just want to learn for learning’s sake.
I have the same headset, and as of a few weeks ago when I last checked, there is not complete support. I think the display works mostly, but the controllers don’t so it might depend on what you are doing.
Interesting - I rarely use the controllers, so could be do-able at least as a dual boot
I hate the settings app so much that I’ve just learned the powershell commands for setting up printers and changing NIC settings. Honestly it wouldn’t be as bad if a. It didn’t take forever to load on occasion and b. I could have two settings windows open at once.
It’s so hard to find settings there that jumping between network center and add device is not intuitive. If they remove control panel from servers too I might quite my msp job and go work at a grocery store.
the thing that most grinds my gears is that there are settings that appear in both control panels and settings, appear to be changeable in both, but only one or the other actually changes anything.
They just have to rename, move, and otherwise obfuscate shit. Always in the general direction of worse.
Let’s be real…Microsoft finally depreciated Windows with Windows 11.
I’m all for an improved UX but the settings app is not an improved UX, it’s taking many different ways to manage windows features and throwing them into arbitrary categories that are constantly getting shifted around.
How about instead just improving some other Windows control features? Let me filter by name in services.msc and devmgmt.msc. Let me search in gpedit.msc.
I will say I do appreciate that they’ve finally made those features work under HiDPI without looking like a blurry pixelated mess. Only took 14 years since the first mass market HiDPI display was released, and 23 years since the first 4k monitor
They should just copy the Plasma System Settings app.
It really is about the best settings app I’ve ever used, especially where it highlights the settings that have been changed from defaults
The constantly shifting shit around in Settings makes online tutorials for fucking anything useless.
Preach. Make an actual improved control panel, settings is garbage. It’s not just scattering things around it really doesn’t include a ton of necessary settings.
Right, the amount of settings you can’t actually change in settings and instead open up a legacy UI modal to change a specific thing is a demonstration that it’s very much lipstick on a pig rather than a core overhaul. There’s so much baggage in keeping Windows backwards compatible for enterprise that I’m not really sure they can get to a point of having a new control panel where everything is organized into a better UI without cutting some of that baggage and doing major refactors, which will break compatibility, and they make the most money from widespread enterprise licenses across massive private and public organizations, not from windows home licenses included with new computers
The thing that bugs me the most about Settings is the amount of wasted white space on every page. You have to do so much scrolling and clicking through tabs just to find various options. By comparison the dialogue boxes of the Control Panel apps are compact and concise. Every time I have to scroll down for something in Settings, I wonder why there’s so much empty space padding around everything.
You’d think a multi billion dollar corporation could afford a decent UI designer or two.
UI designers have had a war on information density for a loooooong time.
UI designers are paid off by big hand surgeon to make me scroll more
They used to have people who knew what they were doing: https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-95s-user-interface/
Now their UI team seems to just be two guys shitting in a bucket (shamelessly stealing that expression from KiraTV).
Thanks for sharing that post, it was super interesting.
I wish I could see behind the scenes in the Windows UI discussions, to see how we get to what we have today
They could, but as with Google, the middle managers have to justify their existence somehow.
I thought it said “decapitates” at first and I lol’d
