• ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don’t have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours…

        When someone insists on “no war but the class war” they often mean “no war impacts me other than the class war, so that’s the only war I’m interested in fighting”.

        • dil@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          I’m sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there’s more to “no war but class war” than just dodging personal responsibility.

          The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.

          “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

          Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren’t just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.

          All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying “no war but the class war” is very “all lives matter”.

    • qooqie@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Always has been, it was just easier to disguise what they were feeding the masses when there was no internet

      • MBM@lemmings.world
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        3 months ago

        Surely at least back when women couldn’t vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.

    • Leg@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      The Bible explicitly states that women are beneath and subservient to men. Christianity is the dominant religion (at least in America). Politicians face controversy when they aren’t openly Christian. They are guided by their Christian morals when making decisions that impact millions of people. Every single president in American history has been a man. Women couldn’t vote until recently, and more recently lost bodily autonomy. Each and every one of these realities produces male supremacy over women. Patriarchy is very real, and has been for centuries. To deny this is to demonstrate ignorance.

      • cmder@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        I am not from the USA and thinking that everyone talking english on internet is from the USA feels very ignorant to me.

        • Leg@sh.itjust.works
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          3 months ago

          I live in the USA and that’s the perspective I can speak from. I can’t claim to know anything about Lithuania’s politics and culture, and I wouldn’t dare try. If I see someone say “in Canada…” it does make me pity them that they couldn’t consider any other country in the world with their insubstantial brains, so I do see where you’re coming from. Piss off.

          • cmder@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            If I see someone say “in Canada…” it does make me pity them that they couldn’t consider any other country in the world with their insubstantial brains

            Your whole comment is based on your biased USA resident point of view.
            You are the one here that apply USA logic to the whole world as you guys like to do.

    • Amanda@aggregatet.org
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      3 months ago

      Kyriarchy encompasses sexism, racism, ableism, ageism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, classism, xenophobia, economic injustice, the prison-industrial complex, colonialism, militarism, ethnocentrism, speciesism, linguicism and other forms of dominating hierarchies

      Anti-Catholicism? You mean the global formal hierarchy that’s solidly historically in support of fascism and against feminism? O…Kay. Why is that the literally only religion listed there? I get why you’d want to protect minority religious practices but why single out Catholicism?

      • jerkface@lemmy.caEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Why is that the literally only religion listed there?

        Actually, it’s directly following Judaism and Islam, but lets not quibble.

    • jerkface@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      This is interesting. As a life-long feminist, a male, and a vulnerable person, it has always occurred to me that there is a generalization of the ideas of feminism that apply to all vulnerable people subject to the self-interested authority of others.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    A few decades too late for that particular cause.

    The most constructive cause right now is The World vs The 1%.

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Take down capitalism but not the patriarchy, and all you’re left with is a non-capitalist patriarchy. Which would suit some just fine, sure, but one thing it isn’t is constructive.

        • Leg@sh.itjust.works
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          3 months ago

          Are you a white man in America? You’re saying white man in America type shit. Do you think racism is a relic of the past too?

          • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            No I’m a mixed man from Denmark, and mostly bullshit comes from America, including your kind.

            I’d very much like it to not effect the rest the world as it does.

            • Leg@sh.itjust.works
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              3 months ago

              You literally have no idea what you’re talking about then. Your sin is bold ignorance. I’m happy you don’t have to deal with this shithole, but here in America, we have a strong patriarchy. Simple fact.

              • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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                3 months ago

                No, America is just backwards compared to the rest of the modern developed world. It’s not just social issues you have there. The whole country is corporate ruled, a lot of your traditions originating in either the hostile takeover of land or as a method of advertising by some company, and many of your laws are created through lobbying of these sane corporate entities. So deeply rooted are American problems that simply attributing it to one thing, like patriarchy or racism, is completely missing the point.

                You want to make America better, you’ll have to first destroy everything America is built upon. And stop mistaking outside observation for ignorance; Americans would do well to listening to the rest if the world.

                • Leg@sh.itjust.works
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                  3 months ago

                  You said a lot of words just to point out that yes, there’s a patriarchy problem in America. I’m well aware that there are many problems. You said that patriarchy wasn’t a problem. I said it was. Everything else you’re going on about is irrelevant.

  • alienanimals@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    What matters more than the genitals in your pants is the amount of money you have. If you have money you can buy politicians, judges, housing, food, weapons, armies, and the list goes on. If you have a dick and no money, you’re nothing but a homeless person with no power at all.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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      3 months ago

      Patriarchy hurts men too. It’s what labels a poor man as a loser who isn’t able to provide for himself, rather than a vulnerable human being who needs help.

    • vga@sopuli.xyz
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      3 months ago

      If that’s true, that’s great! You can just make some money and you’ll get power. The only alternative is that you have some qualities that make you permanently not have power.

  • geography082@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    We will never fall. We make you believe you are in control, but the world is still controlled by us, as it always has been.

    • Persen@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      You actually are right, so sad that downvoters don’t see the truth. The world was always controlled by assholes, who enjoy power.

  • MBM@lemmings.world
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    3 months ago

    Hm seems like we’re at the point where I should stop bothering with All’s comment sections and just stick to my subscriptions like on Reddit