We have a fight about Taler every few weeks.
I’ll summarize:
Positives
- Centralized, no bad people doing bad things
- Fast, because its centralized
- Doesn’t use proof of work, because its centralized
- No currency conversion, because its centralized it can stay in Fiat
Cons
- Centralized, if the central authority thinks you or your business is bad your shit out of luck
- Discoverable, the Central authority has all the information to deconstruct all activity (yes they do, no really, they do)
- Not actually private
- A solution looking for a problem
Fight amongst yourselves repeating the above points.
If you care about privacy you will use Monero, if you care about centralization you will use whatever your local bank transfer system is.
I should note, there are cryptocurrencies that also don’t use proof of work. Ethereum, the second-largest, switched away from proof of work two and a half years ago.
Taler is not centralised. I think you are thinking of CBDC?
Taler could be described as semi-centralized at best. You are free to chose your exchange and you can easily use multiple the same time. It really isn’t that different to crypto-currencies in that regard if you consider the need of fiat exchanges for real world use there as well.
Sure, I agree with that…
Taler is like a decentralized protocol where every transaction has to be tied to a fully KYCed CEX. (Know your customer, central exchange/bank).
That’s not quite how Taler works. Yes, the exchange will know when you generate Taker tokens from fiat, but that is similar to going to an ATM and getting cash. Afterwards the exchange has no means to track what you spend the tokens on.
The problem with pulling Betteridge is that this isn’t a headline: this is one person asking a genuine question in a Lemmy community.
They are not asking a genuine question, 27 day old account, 310 POSTS (not comments) in 27 days.
Its a headline
So I did not make any comments, right?
You are making a bad faith argument and you know it.
Anyway, enjoy trolling around.
I’m not trolling, but you do post 15-20 times per day, your basically an engagement bot. Your comment here has nothing to do with the subject of the post, as an example, its just a meta comment on identifying your behavior.
We have talked about taler before, and the discussion gets heated, so its good engagement bait.
So yes, your headline post title is a headline, and the headline rule of thumb applies.
So if I find this place dead with no posts daily, what should I do? I post here hoping that people will start making this place active.
I did not search for taler here because my lemmy android client does not support searching in a specific community.
But I am not willing to spend time arguing with you in the comments.
Believe in what you want.
post what you like, engagement is fine, i’d just hope you would have something to say about Taler in the comments.
calling other users bots is dehumanizing
That’s something a bot would say
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
No as it’s not point to point. Taler is designed such that the recipient is known, for tax purposes they clam.
The problem with crypto is that is chaotic. It also has the major downside of being very computational and requiring a ton of energy.
In contrast Taler is a payment system not a crypto. You could technically could use it with Taler if you wanted to. It also has lightning fast payments which have way less overhead.
In summary I think cash and crypto are good for small transactions such as paying a friend but for big businesses and normal shopping Taler is better
I think crypto can achieve stability, not by pegged to a fiat currency but commodity backed. There are also mechanisms and algorithms that can confirm transactions without using excessive energy, be fast, and private all in the same time. I still think crypto have a future. Yet I don’t know how far that future is, but for now I will stay away from it as far as I can.
This is a weak point of GNU Taler. I assume one will need to have a bank license to run GNU Taler instance. And banks will not be very motivated. We can dispute how GNU Taler can be better (or not) than crypto, but it is pure theoretical now.
So it is a card replacement while crypto is more akin to a cash analog. If the two coexist in the digital world, that would be awesome.
May keep cash around as well
YES. In the physical world, no digital tech would be as accessible, easy to use and hard to surveil.
It provides most of the benefits of “crypto”, the ones that normal people actually want, with the added advantage that it might actually end up being usable.
No, because it’s not decentralized.
It federated which is decentralized in my book
AFAIK it has no exchanges yet, so for now, it doesn’t provide anything at all.
The German coop-bank that is part of the current pilot project has recently stated that if everything goes according to plan they will begin offering it before the end of this year.
Yet is the key word. It is rapidly getting close
seems like a good middle ground tbh. No cryptocurrency will ever reach the adoption of fiat. This could make online transactions that would otherwise be made over your creditcard, bank or inset fintech like Paypal quite a bit better
And I’d rather have this than a “digital Euro” or “digital Yuan”
Want to butt in here quickly and bring attention towards the fact that crypto currencies in general are not meant to be privacy preserving.
You are literally broadcasting transactions, making it impossible to leave no trace.
https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/
Except Monero
Both better. Proprietary money is a scam.
Not really. Maybe it can give more privacy than transparent crypto like Bitcoin, but private transactions in crypto are superior.
