• RBG@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    “A 99.9% accurate ChatGPT AI text detector? At this time of year! At this time of day! In this part of the country! Localized entirely within your company?!?”

    “Yes”

    "May I see it?“

    “No”

  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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    2 months ago

    That’s a bad article. What are they reluctant about? Releasing that detector, or applying watermarks to the generated texts? Do they do that already or doesn’t it apply to text generated until then? And how would that affect anything else?

    I mean all the major AI companies promised to do AI ethically. Now they don’t want the one thing that would solve half the issues people are having with that technology. Kind of fits with OpenAI 🤔

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      They can’t release anything as watermarks can be reverse engineered and people would just wise up and tumble the outputs.

      Weirdly, not releasing this tool publicly might be the smartest bet here as all of these bot farms and idiots just blindly use chatgpt outputs without any tumbling or safety.

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        The issue with that is: Releasing nothing is even worse than releasing something that could be circumvented. I don’t see this as a valid argument.

        I’m not an expert on text watermarking and how that degrades output. But if they want some stealthy solution that isn’t known to the public… Maybe they could attach two watermarks. A simple one that is known to everyone, and an additional, secret one only they know about. It’d be similar to what we do with bank notes. There are some characteristics everyone knows and can use to judge if it’s fake money. And they have some additional secret markings in banknotes that only the central bank knows about.

        I’m pretty sure a similar thing could be done here. Maybe not for a 280 character tweet. But certainly for other use-cases with longer texts. And in case it has a 0% false positive rate, every match helps someone. Even if it’s circumventable. I think even a non-perfect solution that helps several thousands of people is better than helping no-one.

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          I agree with not releasing it, but I do find that it defeats the purpose talking about it because if you have it but aren’t sharing if what’s the point of having it

    • PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com
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      2 months ago

      My unpopular opinion is when they’re assigning well beyond 40 hours per week of homework, cheating is no longer unethical. Employers want universities to get students used to working long hours.

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    Given a sufficient amount of text, the method is said to be 99.9 percent effective.

    If that’s really the case, they should release some benchmarks. I am skeptical. Promising the world is a key component of their “business model”.

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    2 months ago

    You can just ask ChatGPT if a text was written by it.
    If it is, it’s legally obligated to tell you!

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      2 months ago

      I think the more like explanation is that being able to filter out AI-generated text gives them an advantage over their competitors at obtaining more training data.

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      2 months ago

      The flaw is in the training to make it corporate friendly. Everything it says eventually sounds like a sexual harassment training video, regardless of subject.

  • DrCataclysm@lemmy.world
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    The detection rate is worthless, an algorithm that says anything is Chatgpt would have a detection rate of 100%. What would be more interesting than that is the false positive rate but they never talk about that.

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      The detector provides an assessment of how likely it is that all or part of the document was written by ChatGPT. Given a sufficient amount of text, the method is said to be 99.9 percent effective.

      That means given 100 pieces of text and asked if they are made by ChatGPT or not, it gets maybe one of them wrong. Allegedly, that is, and with the caveat of “sufficient amount of text”, whatever that means.

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        A false positive is when it incorrectly determines that a human written text is written by AI. While a detection rate of 99.9% sounds impressive, it’s not very reliable if it comes with a false positive rate of 20%.

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    2 months ago

    The detector is most likely a machine learning algorithm. That said, releasing that would allow for adversarial training. (An LLM that would not be detected). Therefore they can only offer maybe an api to use it but can not give unlimited access to the model.