Is anyone actually surprised by this?
If you think the American companies do anything different you’re not paying attention and simply believing the propaganda.
No, this is just propaganda
Let the witch hunt begin.
They should store the data in US servers like OpenAI does. Apparently then Mashable won’t write an article about it.
The criticism thrown at DeepSeek in the past days is just as applicable to American AI models. But when that was brought up it in the past it was “making things political”.
At least I can run DeepSeek locally.
DeepSeek’s privacy policy raises concerns about a U.S. foreign adversary’s ability to access U.S. user data. Users are familiar with the massive amounts of data U.S. tech companies collect, but China’s cybersecurity laws make it much easier for the government to demand data from its tech companies. Additionally, DeepSeek users have reported instances of censorship, when it comes to criticizing the Chinese government or asking about Tiananmen Square.
Users have been shown that both governments are untrustworthy so what the fuck are we supposed to do?
Am I supposed to not read this article as panic? I know this is Mashable but the media overall is no longer unbiased and now there’s gonna be more gremlins to watch for in pro-US corpo AI propaganda and media ownership having stakes in AI.
Well, only one of those governments can actually do anything to me. Hint: it’s the one I live under
You think other governments can’t reach you? Did you miss the whole “election interference” thing? Have you never heard of propaganda?
Okay, but they can’t literally bust down my door and kill me.
No, not legally anyway.
Damn, lemme tell the see see pee Jimmy Bob in Missisota caught on. Time to call off the wushu assassins.
Get the fuck over yourselves lmao
China is not illegally busting down US residents’ doors and killing them lol
No, but they can manipulate the public’s perception of political reality to the point that someone gets elected who will bust your door down and kill you, because a bunch of people who don’t have time to make figuring out the news into a part-time job decided that that person would be able to make eggs cheaper and the other guy’s son was really into hookers or something, and also he was old and wasn’t “fixing the border.”
Just as a random example.
(To be clear, I don’t have any reason to think specifically that TikTok or China was involved in getting Trump elected. I’m just saying that allowing any adversary, whether that’s China or that’s the GOP’s social media psyop department, to have control over American’s social media landscape, will absolutely have an impact on you personally, and already has.)
Okay but now we aren’t really talking about privacy anymore, are we? We’re talking about the monopolization of social media by a few corporations as we’re siloed into platforms. Bad, for sure, but a different problem.
The election interference is coming from inside the house and privacy is only tangentially related to a larger problem.
I’ll continue to be more worried that my DMs will be used to put me in prison.
This article is what US propaganda looks like folks. Mashable should be ashamed.
Literally all AI companies do this to run their services. Except you can actually download Deepseek and run it completely securely on your own devices. You know who doesn’t allow that security? OpenAI and the other US companies currently being screwed.
every google site has been doing this for years too. every comment we write in youtube and discard before posting, its being recorded. this isnt news at all.
Yeah whatever, everyone collects it now. Since it gets stored by a fascist state either way, who gives a fuck?
…and kids, that’s how Putin won the war against the concept of privacy, and Trump got indirect benefit out of it
yeah def not our own country going after privacy…
And you’re making it easy for them if you don’t give a fuck.
It’s amazing how Putin has become the Satan figure of the American Civil Religion, personally responsible for all evil in the world.
Er… no, he’s just responsible for all that evil he’s unabashedly doing right now. And is working very closely with the fascist party in our government. As a result, he’s become an important figure in the political landscape of the US.
Yes, and all evil is secretly him. Just like you say, secretly he’s working with everyone bad in the USA, and he’s secretly a very important figure in US politics. Just like he’s secretly behind me stubbing my toe.
… Is this a bit? Because thats some unhinged shit to believe if you’re being serious.
Just to be clear here, Putin isn’t responsible for all the worlds evils, that’s just… well, dumb. Sorry but like, who in their right mind could believe that? Seriously, I don’t know how you could possibly arrive at that conclusion.
And hell, he’s not even responsible for all the evils in the US. But he’s very openly and publicly working with the far right parties here, who are in their turn very open about working with him, and that makes him a very relevant current figure. Not… sure what part of that is a revelation.
They all do this…
Don’t use hosted models unless you pay for your own server space and it is encrypted.
Don’t be a fucking idiot.
They all store data on Chinese servers?
🤡
Unironically quite a lot of them probably do because it’s probably cheap and they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to gEt ThE bEsT dEaL!
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the accusation that they collect keystroke data from outside the app if you have it installed?
It’s not possible unless deepseek have accessbility permission or Deepseek become Keyboard app instead of AI app xD.
I haven’t seen any indication of that, no.
I trust DeepSeek Open Source if it allows me to copy and review it. I don’t trust
OpenAI like ChatGPT.Is Deepseek Open Source?
Hugging Face researchers are trying to build a more open version of DeepSeek’s AI ‘reasoning’ model
Hugging Face head of research Leandro von Werra and several company engineers have launched Open-R1, a project that seeks to build a duplicate of R1 and open source all of its components, including the data used to train it.
The engineers said they were compelled to act by DeepSeek’s “black box” release philosophy. Technically, R1 is “open” in that the model is permissively licensed, which means it can be deployed largely without restrictions. However, R1 isn’t “open source” by the widely accepted definition because some of the tools used to build it are shrouded in mystery. Like many high-flying AI companies, DeepSeek is loathe to reveal its secret sauce.
The runner is open source, and that’s what matter in this discussion. If you host the model on your own servers, you can ensure that no corporation (american or Chinese) has access to your data. Access to the training code and data is irrelevant here.
The guys at HF (and many others) appear to have a different understanding of Open Source.
As the Open Source AI definition says, among others:
Data Information: Sufficiently detailed information about the data used to train the system so that a skilled person can build a substantially equivalent system. Data Information shall be made available under OSI-approved terms.
- In particular, this must include: (1) the complete description of all data used for training, including (if used) of unshareable data, disclosing the provenance of the data, its scope and characteristics, how the data was obtained and selected, the labeling procedures, and data processing and filtering methodologies; (2) a listing of all publicly available training data and where to obtain it; and (3) a listing of all training data obtainable from third parties and where to obtain it, including for fee.
Code: The complete source code used to train and run the system. The Code shall represent the full specification of how the data was processed and filtered, and how the training was done. Code shall be made available under OSI-approved licenses.
- For example, if used, this must include code used for processing and filtering data, code used for training including arguments and settings used, validation and testing, supporting libraries like tokenizers and hyperparameters search code, inference code, and model architecture.
Parameters: The model parameters, such as weights or other configuration settings. Parameters shall be made available under OSI-approved terms.
- The licensing or other terms applied to these elements and to any combination thereof may contain conditions that require any modified version to be released under the same terms as the original.
These three components -data, code, parameter- shall be released under the same condition.
US and the west: … Spying is not acceptable! … except if our companies are doing it
Bootlickers downvoting
When my daddy abuses me that’s love 🤡
Yes, I’m going to be lectured on privacy by people who are still on twitter.
The Chinese now have data on my Linux vm and my curiosity about sweet potato and sweet potato recipe. They’re coming for me now!
No.
As opposed to Microsoft, Google, … NSA, or GCHQ servers. Or all of the above.
Yeah, but these are wholesome domestic spy agencies that are just looking after you and protect you from yourself.
Fuck. They told me that they were storing my backups.
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