wasn’t proton revealed to be bullshitting about privacy recently?
edit: swiss courts compelled protonmail to log IPs, keep fingerprints of browsers and disclose them to authorities. there is no privacy.
And they specifically logged and delivered data about freedom fighters and environmentalists, so there’s some bias on Proton’s hand there.
If I have to choose between a company that freely sells and uses all my data versus a company that e2e encrypts my data and only complies with police and intelligence agency if it is specifically mandated by a swiss judge (and are fighing against it[1]), my money is definitely on the later
Is it perfect? Probably not. - Does it match my thread model? Definitely yes!
Also their privacy policy [2] allows to make a pretty well informed decision and map it against your thread model
And by the way, here’s the statement of the ceo regading the activist: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
[1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/proton-wins-appeal-in-swiss-court-over-surveillance-laws/47052196 [2] https://proton.me/legal/privacy
What would be the benefits of this over Nextcloud, apart from not having to set it up?
I don’t think it’s Nextcloud competition so much as Google Drive competition, which is certainly closed-source.
Nextcloud doesn’t do end-to-end encryption
Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if anyone has made a fork of it that does.
I think it would be easier to start fresh. Almost everything in nextcloud would break if it couldn’t read your data
Very cool but Proton Drive for Linux when?
They don’t care.
That might be it. Whatever the reason, it seems like a missed opportunity. Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
They already had to make the APK for the Play Store, providing it directly doesn’t require extra dev work.
I don’t think they don’t care, they have been adding Linux versions for all of their apps (except drive of course). The CEO themselves said in an interview that a Linux client for drive is inevitable and they will make one, but one of the hardest clients to develop.
I feel like their goal is more close to providing a privacy-minded alternative to Google’s G-suite to “regular” users, so for me it totally makes sense. But yeah, I’m also really waiting for the Linux drive app.
It doesn’t make financial sense to spend money on supporting an entire new platform that’s used by <3% of the population.
FYI this does not include spreadsheets, so if you’re hoping to replace an office suite, it’s not there yet.
Spreadsheets are life. I think in spreadsheets. I hope it comes soon.
“After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.
Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?
As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.
As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.
Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.
Has anyone used it?
How did you get to it?
Clicked the link:
At that time, if you go to drive.proton.me(new window) and click on New in the top left, you will see the ability to create a New document
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
It probably IS standard notes, given that Proton acquired them.
Is it FOSS?
I imagine it is. Developing something like that in house would take a lot. Probably Collabora or something.
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:
- proton isn’t private / yes it is / they never claimed to be
- wasnt there a case when they shared that activist account / you have the facts wrong, here’s what actually happened
- [insert proton app name] for Linux when? / Linux is only x% of user base
- proton needs to finish [insert proton app name] before starting something new / they are different teams so not relevant
- proton needs to make X / no they don’t
- people shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket / don’t use the service then
Thanks!
also SaaS is cancerous shit
