• tibi@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    After ~20-30 years, rubber gaskets and seals and cable insulation start failing. Plastic becomes brittle, especially if exposed to the sun. How do they solve this problem?

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      3 months ago

      Modularity of construction, so that rubber components can be replaced without scrapping the whole vehicle. Reducing reliance on plastic parts, or improving the ease and quality of plastic recycling, so that we can fix the exterior components without sacrificing the chassis and core parts.

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      3 months ago

      Will use 4x as much electricity though, ugh.

      https://www.cleanenergyresourceteams.org/your-old-refrigerator-energy-hog

      Anyone know of any refrigerators today that are as durable as older ones and have today’s efficiencies, but without the smart features and other junk?

      Average refrigerator today still lasts 13 years though, and while they’re made cheaply they also are cheaper (at least as a portion percentage of the average paycheck).

      https://reviewed.usatoday.com/dishwashers/features/ask-the-experts-why-dont-new-home-appliances-last

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        3 months ago

        I’ve heard that in the US fridges are generally different, with stuff like active fans and nonsense like that. Is that true?

        Because every fridge I’ve seen in Europe is mechanically extremely basic and I’ve literally never seen or even heard of one breaking. In my experience fridges are one of the only things that have remained phenomenally simple in design and extremely unlikely to break.

        If someone told me their fridge broke, I’d genuinely assume they were lying. That’s how reliable they are.

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          Every LG and Samsung major appliance I’ve had has broken within 5 years.

          Refrigerators, washing machines, and dryers.

          Prior, I only ever had 80s era American tank energy hogs. Switched back to American brands in the last few years, so too soon to tell if they’ll work out better…

          Here’s to hoping.

          Oh, and having dealt with LG warranty for both electronics and major appliances, I’ll never buy another LG product that isn’t a monitor.

          LG monitors are the only higher end LG product’s I’ve owned that have survived well past the warranty date.

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            I think Samsung is generally considered trash now. I certainly will never buy any of their “smart” objects either, especially not an ad-ridden TV.

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              I can confirm Samsung appliances are complete trash. Every single one I’ve owned has either died or had a non-replaceable part fail within a couple years. We had a Samsung fridge at one point and one of the door switches failed. No big deal right, easy to replace? No, apparently Samsung used some kind of custom switch instead of the bog standard cherry contact switch that basically everything and everyone has used for decades, and it’s no longer being manufactured.

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          Well there are evaporator fans in modern refrigerators in the US. They serve an important role though helping with defrosting, improving cooling efficiency, and evenness of cooling throughout the fridge.

          https://refrigeratorguide.net/maximize-cooling-efficiency-best-refrigerator-evaporator/

          Usually only very small refrigerators are without them now.

          It is another point of failure though, but should be pretty easily repairable. I mean it’ll still be able to cool without the fan, but it’ll be running much more to try and compensate and keep things cool though.

          If you know the YouTube channel technology connections, here’s a fun video of him messing around with a fanless style refrigerator:

          https://youtube.com/watch?v=8PTjPzw9VhY

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      I’m still using my OnePlus 8t. Phones lifespans are fine. If you can’t keep your phone working for 4 years, that’s on you.

      I see no reason to upgrade until support is dropped.

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        My Samsung a70 doesn’t get major software updates anymore. I’m OK with it. I’ll use this as long as possible.

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          For security reasons, don’t do that. Don’t use things older than the supported android version. It’s fucking Linux. It gets vulnerabilities.

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      Planned Obsolescence, baby!

      That said, we might be able to make industrial scale recycling an economically efficient activity if we build more durable goods with a longer lifecycle and limit the availability of new territory to strip mine and abandon.

      So much of our “cheap” access to minerals and fossil fuels boils down to valuing unimproved real estate as at zero dollars and ignoring the enormous waste produced during the extraction process. Properly accounting for the destruction of undeveloped real estate and the emissions/waste created during industrial processing could dramatically improve how much waste we produce and - consequently - how long our durable goods last.