Whether or not he is a murderer depends on whether the DA can meet their burden of proving he committed the acts necessary to satisfy the elements of NYS definition of whatever degree of murder the Grand Jury indicts (if that happens) AND he is not able to establish the affirmative defense of justification.
None of these determinations have been made yet.
I gotta ask, are you a time traveler or a boot licker?
You’re using the legal definition, and there is no legal justification for what he did. I do believe there’s a moral one, though.
Also I was unaware that the taking of a life with justification in the law is not considered murder.
Whether there is a legal justification depends on a jury. Sorry you don’t like it but it’s how the law works. I suggest you try to learn about the things you have opinions on.
You are missing the point. Murder is a legal term with a specific meaning. By using it here, before the legal process has even started, you demonstrate a bias in favor of the capital class. Even in your response the CEO “caused deaths” but the individual committed a “murder.”
Language matters. Adopting the language of the capitalist class (assuming you are not a part of that class) is what makes you a bootlicker.
Your pathetic pedantry shows your underlying need to find any justification to join the disgusting mob behavior against anyone who doesn’t conform perfectly to the whims of the mindless behavior you decided to be your personality. You clearly are looking for any reason to try to remove my own humanity and individuality by classifying me as an enemy.
I’ll say it slow (I would use crayon if that was an option here). You are making a legal determination. The law in the USA recognizes the right of the jury to decide whether something was justified or not.
If my opinion of you effects how you feel about your humanity I suggest therapy and touching some grass
I mean, not liking the reality you live in is sure a good response, but fuck it dude. You live in it. Time to get off the centrist hand-wringer, no good to anybody fence.
Then blame the monsters who ignore human rights for sake of profit, and their enablers. Not the person who saved lives by giving the billionaires a reality check. Yes, it was an unlawful killing. But if the law protects mass murder by denial of life saving care, then how should people change something?
it is unfortunate that someone had to be killed. the argument is that there is no other way to accomplish change. and I would probably agree with that.
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention as defined by the law in a specific jurisdiction.
Justification is a defense in a criminal case, by which a defendant who committed the acts asserts that because what they did meets certain legal standards, they are not criminally culpable for the acts which would otherwise be criminal.
NYS Penal Law SECTION 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person
Whether or not he is a murderer depends on whether the DA can meet their burden of proving he committed the acts necessary to satisfy the elements of NYS definition of whatever degree of murder the Grand Jury indicts (if that happens) AND he is not able to establish the affirmative defense of justification.
None of these determinations have been made yet.
I gotta ask, are you a time traveler or a boot licker?
You’re using the legal definition, and there is no legal justification for what he did. I do believe there’s a moral one, though. Also I was unaware that the taking of a life with justification in the law is not considered murder.
Whether there is a legal justification depends on a jury. Sorry you don’t like it but it’s how the law works. I suggest you try to learn about the things you have opinions on.
Am I a bootlicker simply because I don’t agree with a killing?
I’m not in any way saying the CEO was not a total shitbag who was the effective cause of many deaths.
I just don’t like that murder was seemingly what needed to happen to give people a voice.
You are missing the point. Murder is a legal term with a specific meaning. By using it here, before the legal process has even started, you demonstrate a bias in favor of the capital class. Even in your response the CEO “caused deaths” but the individual committed a “murder.”
Language matters. Adopting the language of the capitalist class (assuming you are not a part of that class) is what makes you a bootlicker.
Your pathetic pedantry shows your underlying need to find any justification to join the disgusting mob behavior against anyone who doesn’t conform perfectly to the whims of the mindless behavior you decided to be your personality. You clearly are looking for any reason to try to remove my own humanity and individuality by classifying me as an enemy.
Fuck your mindless swine behavior.
I’ll say it slow (I would use crayon if that was an option here). You are making a legal determination. The law in the USA recognizes the right of the jury to decide whether something was justified or not.
If my opinion of you effects how you feel about your humanity I suggest therapy and touching some grass
Yay! You found your crayon!!! Was it between your mom’s couch cushions?
I mean, not liking the reality you live in is sure a good response, but fuck it dude. You live in it. Time to get off the centrist hand-wringer, no good to anybody fence.
Why does not wanting people killed mean I’m a centrist?
Then blame the monsters who ignore human rights for sake of profit, and their enablers. Not the person who saved lives by giving the billionaires a reality check. Yes, it was an unlawful killing. But if the law protects mass murder by denial of life saving care, then how should people change something?
I do blame the monstrous predators of our fucked up healthcare system that ruin and end people’s lives to make a profit.
I also don’t like that someone had to be killed in response.
I don’t blame the guy, but I also believe that killing is wrong.
it is unfortunate that someone had to be killed. the argument is that there is no other way to accomplish change. and I would probably agree with that.
Unfortunately yes, peaceful protest isn’t working nowadays
Never has.
It appears you need to go and fsck yourself